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Grob

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Hey I'm new here but I'm just going to jump in.

My question is what are your opinions on gun registry? I'm from canada so I'm not exactly sure what the US policy on it is but here up north it was handled very badly. Do you think there is a place for any form of gun registration in north america. I suppose I could live with hand gun registration but I've never really been much of a hand gun fan anyways (never owned one, dont plan on ever owning one) so that could just be my bais talking. In the states there is a constitutional contradiction involved in gun registration, the constitutional purpos of owning a gun being to overthrow the governement if strays from the path of freedom and democracy(which if I lived down there I might feel that it is). I greatly admire the constitutional right to bare arms which lands me in hot water up here especialy since many of my political views could be catagorized as socialist. But I digress from the real point of this post, what are your opinions on gun regestry/control.

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Gordon
 
no there is no place for it. Registration leads to confiscation. I think everyone ought to be able to defend themselves and there should be no monopoly on force reserved to the government. Anything different leads to totalitarianism and learned helplessness that is toxic to people and their freedom.
 
Other than to identify who gets taken away in the middle of the night by brownshirts. Background checks are about the only kind of gun control I ever want in this country.
In california you have to register certain 'evil' weapons. Don't think for a minute that someday down the line there won't be g-men at your door asking for your property.
 
I dont know if its true or not, but i remember my father saying that 'every country that has instituted mandatory gun registration has gone back and confiscated them all.'
 
Nobody's confiscated hunting rifles or shotguns in Canada, nor do they plan to. Registration, however badly done, has not been implemented with that in mind.

FWIW, I find it very odd that the US seems to have more stringent restrictions on knives than guns. Maximum blade lengths in many places that allow handguns to be carried ... in Canada it's the reverse. Virtually impossible to get a concealed-carry permit for a handgun, but no length restrictions on knife blades.

t.
 
Grob said:
the constitutional purpos of owning a gun being to overthrow the governement if strays from the path of freedom and democracy
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I don't think this old rationale could apply anymore. Back when this was created it was musket vs. musket, and at the very worst, cannons. But you can not expect citizens to be able to make a stand with their own weapons against M1 Abrams tanks and Apache gunship helicopters. The idea of owning a gun to protect yourself from the government is relatively scattered save for extreme survivalists like at Ruby Ridge.

Owning a gun is more about sporting and personal protection against criminals. At the same time, some examples are correct, but are not really the cause of the problem. Hitler's regime disarmed the population, which is actually quite common among assumed dictatorships. The only real example I can apply here is that people don't want gun registrations (neither do I) so that in case something like that does happen, where a totalitarian government tries to take the rights of the people away, they won't be able to take away their guns.
 
I'm against it. My state doesn't have it.

I think the problem with registration and other gun control measures is that since the courts do not interpret the second amendment as giving the right to keep and bear arms to the individual, that we are all afraid after some heinous high profile crime the gov't can just use the registration list to round the guns up.

Gun owners would be much more willing to support registration and other checks if they felt their guns might not be banned (like in DC and SF)
 
Criminals tend not to register their firearms. What point is there to registering handguns either? If a crime is commited with a stolen handgun, the only thing that can be done with a registry is to find out who it was stolen from.

"Nobody's confiscated hunting rifles or shotguns in Canada, nor do they plan to. Registration, however badly done, has not been implemented with that in mind."

There are those who think that only the police and military should have access to firearms. They chip away at your rights slowly. It's like the frog in the boiling water. You throw a frog into a pot of boiling water and it immediatlely tries to jump out. But, if you warm up the water slowly it sits there and slowly boils. Chip away rights and freedoms slowly and nobody notices. Compare TV programs today and programs 30 years ago side by side and the differences in content is huge. But if you slowly add more vulgarity and other stuff over a 30 year period, nobody notices.

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Frogs became a prohibited reptile in 1998. Possesion of one could include a fine or incarceration. :rolleyes:
 
Well, in VT there is no requirement to "register" your gun per se, as a gun owner, but if you buy from a dealer you've got to fill out all the paperwork so its probably a moot point. If you do a private sale, you do not need anything like that (like if I wanted to buy a gun from friend, etc.).
 
Shann said:
Well, in VT there is no requirement to "register" your gun per se, as a gun owner, but if you buy from a dealer you've got to fill out all the paperwork so its probably a moot point. If you do a private sale, you do not need anything like that (like if I wanted to buy a gun from friend, etc.).
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Well the paperwork is kept at the dealer and it's not the same as a centralized registration. Actually it's kind of involved for them to trace a gun that way even.
 
Wow what an active forum, I'm impressed. Thank you for welcoming me so well.

I guess I've never felt the need to own a gun for personal protection againsed individuals. If my house were broken into it would take me a while to go get my rifle out of its locked cabinet then get my ammunition out of its seperate locked case. Personaly in my 2AM moments of paranoia I don't imagine a dark figure in my doorway, I see the right of gun ownership beeing striped away, shortly followed by freedom of speach freedom of assembly, freedom of the press. I guess what I really contend is that gun ownership is still relavant as a means of protecting civil liberties. As too this being irelevant becuase of improved military technology I have to disagree, if they ever come around confiscating guns it won't be an Abrams tank knocking on my door. Nor do I think the american or canadian militaries would fire upon their own citizens over anything short of downright insurection.
Gordon
 
It didn't go well for people who registered their stuff in Nazi Germany, or current day England/Australia.

It's a right in our Constitution and should not be messed with at all.
 
hollowdweller said:
Well the paperwork is kept at the dealer and it's not the same as a centralized registration. Actually it's kind of involved for them to trace a gun that way even.
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Actually for handguns their is a central registration point, when you buy a handgun through a dealer they call the FBI in Virginia and the FBI runs you through NCIC to see if your a felon and if your not, you're allowed to walk out with your purchase, except in CA. What a lot of people don't realize is the FBI is keeping copies of the names, make, model, caliber and serial number of the handgun run through NCIC in violation of the law.:thumbdn:

James
 
skydog said:
Just happened to notice this article on my homepage. I find it very frustrating that people are irresponsible enough to give gun owners a bad name and that people think that guns are the problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...m_nypost/let39sgetridofgunsthatstolemysonaway
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That's part of the problem with the media you never here any of the stories positive to owning a handgun. Where a woman defends herself from a rapist, and elderly man defends himself against buglers, or in in case in NYC where an FBI agent shoots a carjacker with his off duty weapon when the carjacker tried to carjack him at gunpoint.

James
 
I disagree with it wholeheartedly.

I am also for a revocation of the 1968 gun control law and all similar state legislation.
 
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