Gun Registration

As hard as it is to believe there are actualy more guns per capita in canada than the US, there are just alot less people therefore alot less crime therefore less being wrongly blamed on guns.
 
Why is it, as I said earlier, that the US approach to knives is so different from the US approach to guns?

On another thread, someone mentioned a university that prohibited knives with blades more than 2 inches long. Lots of states have length restrictions, and restrictions on carrying knives sharpened on both sides. I assume that the laws are there to "protect people."

If "guns don't kill people, people kill people" ... why do knife laws take a different tack?

BTW, knife laws in Canada differ from our gun laws too ... they're much more permissive. No blade length restrictions, and the only legislated prohibitions are push-daggers and concealed weapons.

t.
 
You may as well hand it over. That is the way registering has always worked.
I will never register a weapon, even though the govt. knows that I have it.
Oh, you mean the one that I gave to my Great, Great Aunt Carol?


QUOTE=Grob]Hey I'm new here but I'm just going to jump in.

My question is what are your opinions on gun registry? I'm from canada so I'm not exactly sure what the US policy on it is but here up north it was handled very badly. Do you think there is a place for any form of gun registration in north america. I suppose I could live with hand gun registration but I've never really been much of a hand gun fan anyways (never owned one, dont plan on ever owning one) so that could just be my bais talking. In the states there is a constitutional contradiction involved in gun registration, the constitutional purpos of owning a gun being to overthrow the governement if strays from the path of freedom and democracy(which if I lived down there I might feel that it is). I greatly admire the constitutional right to bare arms which lands me in hot water up here especialy since many of my political views could be catagorized as socialist. But I digress from the real point of this post, what are your opinions on gun regestry/control.

Cheers

Gordon[/QUOTE]
 
You may as well hand it over. That is the way registering has always worked.
I will never register a weapon, even though the govt. knows that I have it.
Oh, you mean the one that I gave to my Great, Great Aunt Carol?


QUOTE=Grob]Hey I'm new here but I'm just going to jump in.

My question is what are your opinions on gun registry? I'm from canada so I'm not exactly sure what the US policy on it is but here up north it was handled very badly. Do you think there is a place for any form of gun registration in north america. I suppose I could live with hand gun registration but I've never really been much of a hand gun fan anyways (never owned one, dont plan on ever owning one) so that could just be my bais talking. In the states there is a constitutional contradiction involved in gun registration, the constitutional purpos of owning a gun being to overthrow the governement if strays from the path of freedom and democracy(which if I lived down there I might feel that it is). I greatly admire the constitutional right to bare arms which lands me in hot water up here especialy since many of my political views could be catagorized as socialist. But I digress from the real point of this post, what are your opinions on gun regestry/control.

Cheers

Gordon[/QUOTE]
 
I heard your RCMP threatened to take the commissioning sword of the RET. Regt. COL. of The PPCLI.
For the Americans and most Canadians the Princess Patritcia`s Canadian Light Infantry had a proud history. They were a professional fighting force in 1964 when I trained with them. I still have their patch. More of a flash.
That is pretty egregious.
I know you no longer have an armed force, but still............ To be subjects?


TomFetter said:
Nobody's confiscated hunting rifles or shotguns in Canada, nor do they plan to. Registration, however badly done, has not been implemented with that in mind.

FWIW, I find it very odd that the US seems to have more stringent restrictions on knives than guns. Maximum blade lengths in many places that allow handguns to be carried ... in Canada it's the reverse. Virtually impossible to get a concealed-carry permit for a handgun, but no length restrictions on knife blades.

t.
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depusm12 said:
Actually for handguns their is a central registration point, when you buy a handgun through a dealer they call the FBI in Virginia and the FBI runs you through NCIC to see if your a felon and if your not, you're allowed to walk out with your purchase, except in CA. What a lot of people don't realize is the FBI is keeping copies of the names, make, model, caliber and serial number of the handgun run through NCIC in violation of the law.:thumbdn:

James
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right but my understanding of that is no record is kept of that check. Is this not right?

"In cases where the NICS background check does not locate a disqualifying record, information about the individual will only be retained temporarily for audit purposes and will be destroyed after eighteen months. The system will not contain any details about the type of firearm which is the subject of the proposed transfer (other than the fact that it is a handgun or a long gun) or whether a sale or transfer of a firearm has actually taken place.)"
 
I heard reports of the police in New Orleans going door to door confiscating leagally owned guns before Katrina hit.:eek: Has anyone else heard these reports. I fear they may come for my guns. I hide them very well. I'll never register them. I wonder (I think I know what ghosts plan is) what the truly right and patriotic course of action is in that situation? Should you force the gmen to confiscate your guns through force? Give them the dangerous end? Mow down as many as you can till they get you? That ignorant freak in that New York article has a common opinion. What will you guys do when they come for your guns?
 
I was able to up load a mistake and now I can`t upload what I want to.
WELL ANYWAY, YOU CANADAS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.
Your folks raised you better.
 
I am not much of an Olyimpic Free Rifle fan. Does that mean that my deer rifle will not be next on the list?
You should study Hitler and Stalin. First they came for the Jews. I was not a Jew so I said nothing.
Eventually they will come for you.



Grob said:
Hey I'm new here but I'm just going to jump in.

My question is what are your opinions on gun registry? I'm from canada so I'm not exactly sure what the US policy on it is but here up north it was handled very badly. Do you think there is a place for any form of gun registration in north america. I suppose I could live with hand gun registration but I've never really been much of a hand gun fan anyways (never owned one, dont plan on ever owning one) so that could just be my bais talking. In the states there is a constitutional contradiction involved in gun registration, the constitutional purpos of owning a gun being to overthrow the governement if strays from the path of freedom and democracy(which if I lived down there I might feel that it is). I greatly admire the constitutional right to bare arms which lands me in hot water up here especialy since many of my political views could be catagorized as socialist. But I digress from the real point of this post, what are your opinions on gun regestry/control.

Cheers

Gordon
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Tell that to the VC that were killing me and the militia that are doing a pretty good job of killing the best armed force on earth.
Gee guys this old rational no longer applies. Why don`t you give up like
Bandit 5 says?
You see the absurdity. An armed populace is just as much a force to be reckoned with has it has been for 2.000 years.
I was shot down in a chopper by a rifle. Don`t tell me the govt. has a monopoly on the use of force.
I am a cop. Bad guys can kill me anytime they want to.
Katrina taught us that the govt. has no interest in protecting you.
Best wake up and smell the gunsmoke.


Bandit5 said:
I don't think this old rationale could apply anymore. Back when this was created it was musket vs. musket, and at the very worst, cannons. But you can not expect citizens to be able to make a stand with their own weapons against M1 Abrams tanks and Apache gunship helicopters. The idea of owning a gun to protect yourself from the government is relatively scattered save for extreme survivalists like at Ruby Ridge.

Owning a gun is more about sporting and personal protection against criminals. At the same time, some examples are correct, but are not really the cause of the problem. Hitler's regime disarmed the population, which is actually quite common among assumed dictatorships. The only real example I can apply here is that people don't want gun registrations (neither do I) so that in case something like that does happen, where a totalitarian government tries to take the rights of the people away, they won't be able to take away their guns.
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Warlock6 said:
I heard your RCMP threatened to take the commissioning sword of the RET. Regt. COL. of The PPCLI. ...
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I'm not trying to argue with you, Warlock. Not sure of the circumstances you mention ... The Canadian law gives police authority to confiscate something they perceive as a "deadly weapon," and gives them latitude to decide in the situation what that might be. I can't take a SAK onto an airplane anymore, let alone a ceremonial sword.

But nobody would trouble you about wearing/using a big khuk if you're out in the woods or working in the yard; they'd likely feel differently if you were handling it in a menacing way in the Toronto subway. Same principle would apply if I was carrying a baseball bat, or a length of a 2" maple branch, or a ball-peen hammer: if there's a legitimate non-violent use for the object in the context ... then fine. If you're primarily carrying it as a weapon ... you'd quite likely have a different story.

I'm curious, as I've said, why the US laws approach guns and knives differently. I'd have expected that in a land where the right to bear arms is written in the constitution, that the same arguments used to protect gun ownership/use would be used to protect knife ownership/use.
 
Politicions lie for a living. Those who will not learn their history are doomed to repeat it.
Who would you trust a US Army Inf. COL. who is never going to make GEN. or a Senator?

hollowdweller said:
I'm against it. My state doesn't have it.

I think the problem with registration and other gun control measures is that since the courts do not interpret the second amendment as giving the right to keep and bear arms to the individual, that we are all afraid after some heinous high profile crime the gov't can just use the registration list to round the guns up.

Gun owners would be much more willing to support registration and other checks if they felt their guns might not be banned (like in DC and SF)
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First you kave to have a gun, Then you call the maker who calls the distributer that that block of serial no.`s went to. It goes on. ATF does not trace guns over one year. The resources do not pay.




hollowdweller said:
Well the paperwork is kept at the dealer and it's not the same as a centralized registration. Actually it's kind of involved for them to trace a gun that way even.
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The FBI has been ordered to comply with the law. Those NCIC checks should be gone.


depusm12 said:
Actually for handguns their is a central registration point, when you buy a handgun through a dealer they call the FBI in Virginia and the FBI runs you through NCIC to see if your a felon and if your not, you're allowed to walk out with your purchase, except in CA. What a lot of people don't realize is the FBI is keeping copies of the names, make, model, caliber and serial number of the handgun run through NCIC in violation of the law.:thumbdn:

James
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This is just officer discretiom. Most folders are 4" give or take. It depends on what you are doing and where.
FB`S HAVE NO LIMIT.


TomFetter said:
Why is it, as I said earlier, that the US approach to knives is so different from the US approach to guns?

On another thread, someone mentioned a university that prohibited knives with blades more than 2 inches long. Lots of states have length restrictions, and restrictions on carrying knives sharpened on both sides. I assume that the laws are there to "protect people."

If "guns don't kill people, people kill people" ... why do knife laws take a different tack?

BTW, knife laws in Canada differ from our gun laws too ... they're much more permissive. No blade length restrictions, and the only legislated prohibitions are push-daggers and concealed weapons.

t.
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Warlock6, where you injured in the helicopter crash? Did you take any rounds at that time?
 
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