Thanks Spark and Co. It has been really nice to post about a Busse for sale last night and not have e-mails and posts wanting to trade for a "silly suit". I did feel sorry for the "kid" "guy" whatever but it just got kinda really old really quick. I only hope that other members do not make judgements on those of us who make mention of our faith in correspondence, we are not all like that anymore than any other group we all have our "challenges" so to speak. I would also mention to Gunner if he is lurking that I haven't seen it suggested but if you are so strapped for cash and want the education, you might look into your armed forces-they pay you to train and you will get real experience and maybe respect if you can do it. If you can't then maybe the Survival community is not for you at the level you seek. God Bless-paul