Gunting vs. Chinook

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I'm considering one of the two for EDC I mostly would use it for utility purposes. Both seem like tough knives but which is better in YOUR opinion??? The only thing I wonding about the Gunting is if that peak over the hole will bother me while it's in my pocket? Maybe someone can suply me with a pic of the clip side of the knife. About the Chinook I noticed it can't be spyderedge and I've heard blade play nightmire stories. Can you guy help me make up my mind?



BTW I don't want a military or a endura or a police ;)
 
My choice would definitely be the Chinook, in plain edge...however I've heard that the Gunting is surprisingly useful as a utility blade. From what I've been able to determine, most of the Chinooks have very little vertical play. This was a concern of mine too, but I've been convinced not to worry about it. You could always try to have a particular knife hand-picked for you with tight lockup. Good luck!

Jeff/1911.
 
I have experience with the Chinook and I absolutely love it.
It does have a slight side to side play, but it wasn't noticable if you're using it.
 
knife11,
For me, I dont mind the peek (us guntiholics call it a ramp) in the pocket at all. I like that the ramp rides high in the pocket. It makes deploying the knife from the pocket easier since you can get a grip under the ramp and your hand position is in the right place when it comes out. Try it out, and see if it works for you.

A lot of guys also like going with the sheath developed by Skunkworks sheaths to cary the gunting. Frank does awsome work, and the sheath rides really comfortably.

edited to say...
steve...ya beat me to the punch...:grumpy: I gotta read more carefuly
 
I had a Gunting a while back but I traded it. I still have a Chinook. The Gunting is good for utility; it cuts well and the horn does not get in the way. The only reason I traded it was because I don't have the time to learn how to use the horn properly, and I really wanted something else at the time. I really did like the compression lock though and the handle is super comfortable. The Chinook is a good knife too. Cuts well and high lock strenth. My problem with the Chinook is the small amount of blade play. It's not a lot, but I'm pretty picky.

If you want a smaller blade with a really great handle, go with the Gunting.

If you want a bigger knife that a bit heavier, go with the Chinook.

Or get both, then deicde which one you like the best and trade the other.
 
I like my G a lot and have attended Brams seminar and experienced some of what it can do defensively.

However I would say that if the training isn't your thing or isn't an option and you want the knife mostly for utility purposes then I would say go for the Chinook.

It rides better in the pocket. It's not as awkward to carry.

The G has a more 'natural' feeling handle though and bladeplay is non-existant.

It's all personal though...for me the G would win this battle everytime!:)
 
Since you will be using it mostly for utility purposes, a Chinook seems a better pick. My Chinook (PE) does have some vertical blade play, but it's barely noticeable. Otherwise it is perfect.
A Gunting (mine is PS) is great too, but I find that in utility uses the ramp sometimes catches whatever it is I am cutting, and after all, Gunting was supposed to be a less-than-lethal self-defence knife, not a general utility tool. I have used mine that way, but I just find a Chinook much better for general chores.
But that may be because Chinook is still new to me, and Gunting I had for some time now...
Anywho...
Just my $0.02 :D
 
Blade play for me is totally unacceptable if I wanted blade play I'd buy a cheap-o. So I think the Gunting wins this one, But I'd still like to hear from more of you about it's utility abilities and I'd still like to see a picture of one from the clip side.
Also I just want to understand what this knife is intended for as I understand form the gunting musseum and other threads you can use the ramp to open the blade (but not on your own leg)somehow and also you can hold the knife in your hand with the ramp poking through your fingers and hit someone with it or dig into them with it... Is this right? Maybe I need some clarification.

Thanks All
 
I played with both and eventually traded for a Chinook. I like the handle/blade ratio of the G but do not like the ramp.

The Chinook is heavy but very strong, easy to open and cuts very well. Virtually any affordable production lock*back* will have some slight vertical movement, so I don't hold that against it.
 
knife11,
The ramp can be used in a number of ways. here are a few...
-opening and closing the blade on an opponent in the flow of combat
-as a striking implement or Tommahawk
-pressure point manipulation
-and my favorite, enhancing muscle destructions.
I don't think the ramp was intended to be used as a fist spike between the fingers, but I cant see why not, the thing is, when you do this, you need to reposition your hand to take advantage of the kinetic opening (Bram and guys: correct me if I am wrong).

IMHO, for a better understanding in the use of the gunting, take a seminar with Bram, or one of his instructors. You will not be dissapointed.

As for the clip...heres a good pic
 
I would pick the Chinook, but I also wouldn't rule-out the SS Endura or Delica, (unless you NEED a hell-tough folder).
 
I'd say go with the Chinook. All other things being equal (which they're not -- I actually like the gunting blade and handle shapes more), I'm more likely to carry something that might be a little too heavy than something with an awkward carry position.

JamesA
 
I would say the Gunting.

The blade is smallish, but extremely useful. Choking up on the horn works great for controling the blade. The handle is super ergonomic. It is easy to deploy and open, even in thick work gloves (using the ramp). The compresion lock is simple and super strong. Plus, the gunting has the benefit of being both legal and fairly sheeple friendly almost everywhere.

The Chinook is a big knife. It is significantly heavier than the Gunting. In some areas, it is too big to be legal. And it probably would scare sheeple.

Don't get me wrong - the Chinook is a great knife, and is very tough.

But, I would choose the Gunting between the two. And thats not even taking into account the many other uses of the Gunting.

That being said, I think there are other knives that are great for utility. You already said that you don't want a military/police/endura.

How about a Lil Temperance? With two blade choices, the compression lock, and an unusual grind, IMO, it is one of the best utility knives available. It has a stout handle, a good clip, is light weight, and fairly legal/sheeple friendly.

It has an advantage over the Gunting - namely, the fact that you don't have the nearly overwhelming urge to kin-op it on your thigh.

If you get the Gunting, get a trainer as well.

I didn't have the trainer, and I ended up trading mine. I think I would've eventually done something very stupid with it.

Good luck!

-- Rob
 
Any blade play in the chinook can be dialed out for the most part using the pivot. But its a non factor in use. Most dont have hardly any. You cant just stick the Gunting in your pocket and go. It will open up on you. Hence carry is a lot less low key in a sheath or high ride in pocket. Only downside of the chinook is weight. YOu could probably carry 3 frn enduras for the same weight if not 4. But that same weight and blade thickness is its upside. I also think the Chinook is most at home as a defensive carry. The upswept bowie style blade is not as useful as those of the delica or endura or military etc in everyday mundane cutting tasks. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Chinook!

I really don't see what others are saying about blade play. Mine is a standard run-of-the-mill, not hand-picked knife and there is no such excess blade play. It's a non-issue to me.
 
Originally posted by Mike990
YOu could probably carry 3 frn enduras for the same weight if not 4. [sic]
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The Chinook weight equals to 2 and a half Endura FRN. That's why I'm getting Normark to make a sheath for me cause this thing will make weaker pockets (like nylon fabric based stuff) sag.
 
Let me preface this with the statement that I'm a Guntaholic.

You kinetically open the knife by holding the handle in a pinch grip, so that your fingers are not covering the back of the blade in the closed position. Then by rolling the ramp (horn as you guys call it) on your opponent it will snap open. It takes a little practice, but once you've got it, you can open it in the middle of combat, instantly escalating to deadly force, if you need it.

You can help prevent the ramp from opening the blade prematurely by keeping the pivot tight. The sheath that has already been mentioned is another way to keep this from happening.
 
It ususually drives me nuts when someone comes in on the side of an 'either/or' discussion. However I did gain some experience that may prove helpful:

I just got a Chinook, and I am very impressed with its build quality and obvious strength.

However for EDC I still like my Wegners better. Still tough, but lighter and thinner. They also don't scrape my hand when I reach past them into my pocket. Nicer ergonomics for me.

Plus I find it way easier to open my Weggie with one hand, since I was born and bred tip-up years ago with the Delica and Endura.
 
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