Gurkhas betrayed again!

kronckew said:
read the comments there, 99.99% pro gurkha, tho there are one or two arsewipes.
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Good to see that those who posted comments were mostly supportive of the gurkhas... sadly such decisions seem to be out of the people's hands in "democratic" nations.
 
barf.:barf:

flower power, lets all sing kumbayah while we all hold hands and think of the non-competitive world social order where all have whatever they tell us we need.

you have nothing to lose but your chains. we will provide new ones of love and social order for all.

Tranzi* BS to suppress the masses.

*- another linky on transnational progressivism
 
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a small victory:

Brown defeated over Gurkha rules <-linky, video clips on the page. Ayo Gorkhali!

Gordon Brown's government has suffered a surprise defeat in the Commons on its policy of restricting the right of former Gurkhas to settle in the UK.

MPs voted by 267 to 246 in favour of a Lib Dem motion that all Gurkhas be offered an equal right of residence.

Tory leader David Cameron backed the Lib Dem motion to scrap rules which leader Nick Clegg called "shameful".

Mr Brown's first significant defeat as PM came despite last minute concessions being offered to rebel Labour MPs.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith had promised to start a review of the new criteria - which was only announced last week - by the summer and gave an assurance veterans would not be deported.

'Immense victory'

The vote is not binding, but it represents an embarrassing Commons defeat for Gordon Brown at a time when he has faced criticism over a number of other issues.

It is also thought to be the biggest Commons victory achieved by the Liberal Democrats since their formation two decades ago.

There were shouts of "resign" as the numbers were announced. Labour MP Martin Salter told the BBC many of his colleagues had abstained in the vote.

The Lib Dems said 28 Labour MPs voted for their motion.

After the vote Mr Clegg and Mr Cameron joined actress Joanna Lumley who has been campaigning on the issue and Gurkhas outside Parliament.


"Today is a historic day where Parliament took the right decision" - David Cameron

Both leaders said, while the vote was not binding, the government would have to change its policy.

Mr Clegg said: "This is an immense victory on a series of fronts: for the rights of Gurkhas who have been waiting so long for justice, a victory for Parliament, a victory for decency."

He added that it was "the kind of thing people want this country to do".

Mr Cameron said it was "embarrassing" for the prime minister because his efforts to strike a "shoddy deal" with Labour rebels had failed.

He added: "Today is a historic day where Parliament took the right decision. The government have got to come back with immediate proposals so that the Gurkhas can have an answer."

Uncomfortable episode

Ministers should come back with immediate proposals to change the system, he said.

BBC political correspondent Carole Walker said there would now be enormous pressure on the government to change the guidelines on settlement.

She added it was another uncomfortable episode for Jacqui Smith - who has faced recent questions over her expenses and handling of a Home Office leaks inquiry.

MPs reject Brown's Ghurka policy

Some 36,000 former Gurkhas have been denied residency because they served in the British army before 1997.

Ministers had introduced new rules allowing more soldiers to settle here based on long service, medals received, and those injured in battle.

The Home Office said that new rules would allow about 4,300 more to settle, but the Gurkha Justice Campaign said it would be just 100.

Defending the policy at prime minister's questions earlier, Gordon Brown said that the new guidelines announced last week would allow 10,000 Gurkhas - including their families into the UK.

He added: "We are determined to honour the service that the Gurkhas give. We have been very proud of what they have done for our country. We have made major changes over the last few years. We are prepared now to make major changes again.

"And we are prepared to continue to review the situation for the future. It must be based on proper facts and proper figures, and it must be based on the ability to make decisions that we can afford."

Ms Lumley said the campaigners were "elated" as they had expected to lose the vote.

"When it came through we saw it on the screen and I can't tell you the sense of elation," she said.
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further comments by opposition leaders stated that tho the vote was non-binding on the govt. that if they did not heed the result and change the policy to what was expected that they would be defeated again. in the UK parliament, governments can fall and force a general election if they get defeated on a vote of confidence, which i assume they were alluding to.

democracy can still win out on occasion.
 
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kronckew said:
barf.:barf:

flower power, lets all sing kumbayah while we all hold hands and think of the non-competitive world social order where all have whatever they tell us we need.

you have nothing to lose but your chains. we will provide new ones of love and social order for all.

Tranzi* BS to suppress the masses.

*- another linky on transnational progressivism
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I see very little similarity between this "transnational progressivism" and the abolition of the monetary system and a new focus on renewable resources.

TP still relies on a system of governance (control) and does not mention cancelling the monetary system.
You can still have money, just not in the way that it is dolled out today.
Abe Lincoln had the right idea with the greenback, he was even killed for his idea.

In response to your initial sarcastic suggestion about world peace and cooperation, why not?
Why not try it?
Do you like what you see in the world today?? Personally, I dont think it can get better from where it is now.

Also, before you "barf" on an idea (however flawed it may seem) feel free to come up with another suggestion.

I wait with eager anticipation for a better idea from one who is so sure of himself, he will throw an idea out before properly comparing it to what the going rate is.

Dont forget, Jesus of Nazareth was a communist. That was his problem. When he told the jews (who were following him at that time), "Salvation is for EVERYONE" that is when they rejected his teachings and demanded his slow death.
 
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i do not want to see this thread hijacked into discusiing world govt. and the demise of nations so i will be short.

i see in "the zeitgeist movement.pdf" that capitalism is no good, nations are racist and patriotism is a disease. world resources must be monitored and controlled by a central world directorship of the elite who program and query the central computer that runs the whole thing. all property is free, all must work for the central directorship with the same reward no matter what job or what hours they work - until everything is provided by machines that then do the work for you. there is no government to complain to or affect, no room for individualism, no challenge and untimately no further progress. the eloi come to mind, there the morlocks do the production for the eloi, directed by a central super-morlock, if morlock=machine, we have zeitgeist.

some people think the constitution is old stuff and does not apply anymore, that it can be changed, bits taken off and discarded as needed, and that surrender to a new world order (UN? - :D ) and subjugation to the world courts is needed.

all looks a bit too socialist, too world dominationist, and too centrally controlled to me. i prefer the american constitution, advancement thru your own efforts, a democracy where everyone has a say. democracy is a terrible system, but so far i think is still better than all the others. i am a reactionary, a conservative nationalist, sworn to defend and uphold the constitution of the united states against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. it's the politically correct transnational progressives and sheeple who want something for nothing that are ruining the system. getting back to basics is needed, everyone in the world dislikes the US but wants to move here, then change it to what they had back where they left that they moved away from.

some people drive a car till it breaks then get a new one. some drive a car and fix it if it breaks. i'm in the latter group. i like my old car and don't want a new prius.

i'm not interested in and don't have the rhetoric to be going thru the entire zeitgeist manifesto and nit-picking it, i've seen enough, thank you. don't wanna go there. the american founding fathers were intelligent educated men, much better orators than i will be, i'll stick with them for now.

and back on track, if the UK doesn't want the gurkhas, i'm sure the US could do with accepting them, they're a better class of immigrants than most. shame the commies do not want them going to sign up for the UK armed forces anymore. but that's a subject for another thread...
 
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back on track, i listened to the govt. minister here react to the house of commons expressed will that the gurkhas be let in, he acknowledged that the govt. would have to consider the will of the house, but also tried to shift blame to the conservatives, also said that they had already made major concessions in the immigration rules published last week that caused the furor, and that he thought they had got it right originally and said they'd complied with the court order that they let them in by clarifying the rules, he said they'd have to consider the costs when they decided how to change the rules again, but that he understood the house did not want cost to be the overriding consideration. and so forth. more non-committal spin and justifying their original rules. they still seem to have no intention to allow all the gurkhas in and still want to limit them by arbitrary distinctions. we will have to wait and see what they come up with, and if they do not do the decent thing, again but more forcefully show them the error of their ways.
 
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I will reopen this thread tomorrow. At that time please keep your comments focused on the Gurkhas and their cause. Do not toss off gratuitous insults about the President of the United States, who has NOTHING to do with this. Do not interject the jerk-it icon which is also unnecessarily insulting and inflaming. This is not the forum for political rants. You can support these loyal and valuable allies without that.
 
titus010782 said:
Dont forget, Jesus of Nazareth was a communist. That was his problem. When he told the jews, "Salvation is for EVERYONE" that is when they threw him to the lions.
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As disruptive as your off-topic trolling has gotten, I would settle for an end to it in this thread. However, I wait with eager anticipation for a personal apology for the racist insult above. Consider it carefully. Bladeforums will not tolerate bigotry.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
As disruptive as your off-topic trolling has gotten, I would settle for an end to it in this thread. However, I wait with eager anticipation for a personal apology for the racist insult above. Consider it carefully. Bladeforums will not tolerate bigotry.
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Good to see this thread is back, now I can have my say and get back to the business of disliking new Labour.

A personal apology was offered (thrice) but not accepted by our ever vigilant Moderator.
It was a little tongue in cheek due to the fact that I am (myself) Jewish by birth and Faith.

Sigh. Now, enough about the kids, lets get back to the subject at hand!


Gordon Brown's TKO in the commons was absolutely justified and a great pleasure to see.
It is always funny to see a 17st one-eyed Scotsman being crusted by a 10st, posh speaking Joanna Lumley ( I have LOVE that woman ever since I was a little boy! I knew there was a reason.)

Lets us see him get up before a 3 count!

I hope to see a gurkha moving in next door to me pretty soon.:thumbup:
 
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brent52 said:
http://www.gaeso.org.uk/

Take a gander
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Brings tears to my eyes. Now maybe all this RACIST xenophobia will be dealt with.

This is a realy oppurtunity for Gordon brown to win alot of votes. Just say he is sorry, throw Harriet out in her posterior and send those Gurkha families some one-way tickets. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Right now I begrudge the tax I pay every year. If GB can do this one thing properly, I will not complain again.
 
G'day

Go to YOUTUBE and type in Gurkha Protest at Settlement Plight - Joanna Lumley Lends Support How sad...the Governement would erect a Statue in London dedicated to the Gurkhas for their bravery in battle and loyalty to the Crown.
 
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kronckew said:
An update.

Joanna to go before a parliamentary committee next week

i'm glad to see that in spite of our differences we all are behind the gurkhas.

More background info: There's one more thing gordon can do..., the telegraph is not a fan of his, it's a conservative affiliated paper.
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You are DAMN right I am! The elitist, power hungry fascists are the REAL enemy.
I just want people to get along with no more of this religious nonesense getting in the way.

The abuse of power, (I wont metion any names) is a disgusting, mental illness.
These gurkhas have taken the butt end of this abuse for too long.

Joanna Lumley could run for Prime Minister round about now, but I know she is not that kind of person.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I will reopen this thread tomorrow. At that time please keep your comments focused on the Gurkhas and their cause. [ ... ] This is not the forum for political rants. You can support these loyal and valuable allies without that.
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Esav Benyamin said:
As disruptive as your off-topic trolling has gotten, I would settle for an end to it in this thread.
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titus010782 said:
Good to see this thread is back, now I can have my say and get back to the business of disliking new Labour. [ ... ]

Gordon Brown's TKO in the commons was absolutely justified and a great pleasure to see.
It is always funny to see a 17st one-eyed Scotsman being crusted by a 10st, posh speaking Joanna Lumley [ ... ]
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titus010782 said:
You are DAMN right I am! The elitist, power hungry fascists are the REAL enemy.
I just want people to get along with no more of this religious nonesense getting in the way.

The abuse of power, (I wont metion any names) is a disgusting, mental illness. [ ... ]
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This thread is about the Gurkhas, not about your partisan political opinions, which I will no longer tolerate taking the discussion off-topic. Rather than shut down the thread, I should shut you down instead.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
This thread is about the Gurkhas, not about your partisan political opinions, which I will no longer tolerate taking the discussion off-topic. Rather than shut down the thread, I should shut you down instead.
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Or just move the thread to the political forum instead of censoring & threatening members for their opinions...

The OP IS political by nature. I would imagine that the "Gurkhas Betrayed again!"(by the UK Government), would indicate that. But perhaps you missed the point...
 
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Bubba Sawyer, you haven't been here long enough to understand Bladeforums and its rules. Reading the FAQ and the separate forum stickies can help.

The Political Arena has its own requirements, which this thread has already seriously violated. This is not censorship but an attempt to get a fair discussion without partisan bullying and personal insults. Bladeforums also requires that criticism of the moderators be taken to the Service & Support forum.
 
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