Gus and Blues : Two good guys

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Your recent decisions about post content on the custom forum looks as if it weighed heavy in your decissions.

Good job keep up the great work!
 
Thanks, Darrel, we are trying. Gus and I spend time on the phone and via email trying to get the decisions right. I realize that we are often dealing with fine lines here.

Bottom line, speaking for myself, is that I wish nothing but the best for the makers who come here and contribute on the forums.

You've known me a few years now and know my relationship with makers, collectors and purveyors at the shows etc. I have great respect for most and consider many amongst my good friends. Hell, some of these guys are so good, I even forget they just like me for the money. ;)

There is going to be a feeling out process going on here for a while until we can get things down to a certain standard. The forums have grown greatly and while that is a good thing in many ways, that growth also brings difficulty in managing its size and content.

Gus and I get email from makers and collectors complaining about the overt "pitches" from some who may post with commercial interest. However, some of these same people will often cleverly disguise a pitch of their own within the body of an otherwise innocent post.

Where to draw the line? It's difficult to say with any ironclad certainty. It's kind of like the judge who said he couldn't define pornography, but he knew it when he saw it. That is how I often feel when I read some of the content on this forum.

Gus and I want to strike a balance where the forum does the most good for the most people. We will make mistakes, but we are willing to listen and take other perspctives into consideration. Heck, I've closed a grand total of two threads! (And they were overt.)

In closing, speaking for myself, I want to reiterate that I am pro-maker, pro-collector and for anything on this forum which upholds the interest of the membership without stooping to outright commercialism.

Let's remember that the reason why Spark started charging for the right to sell items on the boards was to make BladeForums.com more self supporting and self sufficient. Those who seek to circumvent that are like guests disrespecting the home of their host.

Gus and I are only trying to work within that framework and satisfy as many folks as we can while doing so.

On the other hand, the bastids that I routinely hang out with in chat at night have urged me to show some cojones and take a tougher stand on "violators" and I guess from time to time that is what I/we will have to do instead of coming across as apologists all the time.

Sorry for the longwinded post, I hope it helped clarify how I see things.

And thanks again for the support, DDR.
 
I personally think there is a lot of confusion on the picture stuff. Here is my feelings (and i think this is what Gus and Blues mean as well.) I love to see pics in here. That is one of the reasons I come to this forum. It is perfectly fine for collectors to post pics of there new knives. I also think Gus and Blues want makers to post pics of new knives. If a maker has a new design out, I think it is perfectly appropriate to post a pic of the knife here and ask for feedback. Or if a maker makes something out of his/her normal realm, I would love to see them post it here for us to enjoy. However, when the line gets crossed is when comments like "this knife is currently available" or something along those lines is added to the post. That makes it a sells pitch. I personally don't care if the knife is sold, you are making it to sell, or it is for yourself when you post the pic. Just don't post that it is for sale. If people want to know if it is available, that is what e-mail is for. PLEASE don't stop posting pics of your new custom knives you either made or purchased. I think that is one of the best parts of this forum by far.
 
Gus and Blues, you guys are doing a great job!
Thanks.

Dave
PS-Hey Spark, how bout doubling their salaries? :)
 
Spark - you pay these guys? :eek: :eek:

Keep up the good work Gus and Blues.

Regards,

Ed
 
Gus and Blues,

This is kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. I know the two of you will be fair to all concerned and I agree that you will probably have to continue to evaluate each situation as it occurs.

I certainly don't envy you this task but knowing both of you I know it could not be in better hands.
 
Originally posted by stab1
I certainly do envy you this task but knowing both of you I know it could not be in better hands.

Uh, Don... I'm sure you meant DON'T, didn't you? ;)
 
Gus/Blues
Why did you lock the rules post? If there are rules I want to know what they are.
If the only option of a maker to generate a post on a finished already sold knife, or a new design for feedback on the style and or construction of the knife is now restricted to the Gallery so be it, I have no problem with that.
I thought the rules post was going places and clarifying things. Even though there were some obvious misunderstandings and possibly some toes steped on. I thought it was good and constructive critisisum of the system as to the way it is now and what you the moderators want it to be in the future.
I do not want to make trouble, I do not want to break the rules. If there are rules I need to know what they are. Maybe the forum titles and tags need to be changed to tell us makers new to the forums what is acceptable and what is not.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, "With James Mattis gone Gus is as good as we have." I know that Gus was beating himself up trying to do the right thing here, to the point he was ready to throw in the towel. Blues stepped up to the plate to help carry the weight. Thank you both.

There's no confusion about what this forum is supposed to be about. Except for the parasites that choose to muddy the waters, and post here for one reason and one reason only. I can look at who starts a thread and know which ones will only be a Commercial. Their posts add nothing to the discussion or knowledge base of the readers here, and their leaving wouldn't be missed.

Like Gus and Blues and the majority of Knifenuts here, I love knives and pics of knives. I wouldn't do anything to discourage makers and buyers from posting pics. I would like to see them posted in the right Forum. If you just want to show off a knife put it in Gallery. If you need feedback on technique from other makers post it in Shop Talk. If you want to discuss a Custom Knife (with a pic) post it here. If you want to Sell a Knife on BFC, then sign up and post it in the For Sale Forum you Cheap POS. :p
 
Phil,

Would you accept the title of honorary ambassador at large? ;)
 
Phil
Have signed up a long time ago. I had questions that I wanted answered and they were not.
Thank you for your "educated input".
Now this cheap POS is signing off to go post elsewere.:confused: :mad:
 
Originally posted by R Dockrell
Phil
Have signed up a long time ago. I had questions that I wanted answered and they were not.
Thank you for your "educated input".
Now this cheap POS is signing off to go post elsewere.:confused: :mad:

Sorry I have no idea who you are, but what makes you think any of my comments were directed at you? :confused:

Maybe it's like a fart in a crowded room, "He who excuses himself accusses himself". :rolleyes:

Phil,
Would you accept the title of honorary ambassador at large?


Blues, I think I'd be really good at this diplomacy stuff, look at how good I'm doing so far. :D
 
Yep. You've got a knack for it. ;)

Actually, I thought your quick and dirty digest of the various forums was pretty good.


As to the makers who seem to still be confused by this, I suggest you look to your actual motives for posting. You ought to know whether you intend your message to be commercial or not. Just be honest with yourselves and with your fellow travelers here.

Bottom line... If you aren't sure, go for it. If it seems to be a problem, either Gus or myself will chime in. If we close the thread, we'll tell you why. Maybe other makers who seem to have a better handle on things will let you know as well, while at the same time they contact us as they have been doing.
 
Originally posted by R Dockrell
Now this cheap POS is signing off to go post elsewere.:confused: :mad:

Robert, I don't feel that Phil had directed his comments directly to you. We all need to step back and take deep breath.:)

A.T.
 
How about just posting the photo and listing the knife's specifications and contributors in a "standard format!"

This could avoid misconceptions about the possible "hidden" intent of phrases like "I just finished this one" (which could be interpreted that it's still up for sale!) Let's face it, even if it's a photo of a knife that has been sold many years ago, the maker might be persuaded to make another one!

As far as the phrase "What do you think?" - I think its obvious you're asking for opinions when you post a knife photo! Why else would you post a photograph in any forum? :rolleyes:

Also, replies like "Is that one for sale?" and "How much is it?" can entice makers into becoming reluctant salemen. Why not be discreet and just use email?

We all get excited when we just finish a new knife or see someone posting a photo of one we really like. I believe using a "standard photo posting format" and emailing sales-related questions could help! ;)
 
Just so you folks know, I'm not pointing fingers at anybody in the above post!

I'm just as guilty as the next guy when I finish a neat new knife or see one I'd really like to have! ;)
 
Originally posted by Tom Anderson
How about just posting the photo and listing the knife's specifications and contributors in a "standard format!"

Simple is better.

Stay Safe,
A.T.
 
It took me years to learn to stay inside the lines with my box of Crayolas! :D

(And even longer to realize bunnies are'nt green! :p)
 
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