Guy brought a knife to a gunfight!

wow, I don't usually watch stuff like that. How sad they're not allowed to cap the guy before he was able to murder the cops. If it's true about the laws prohibiting the use of deadly force that is a shame. I'm sure lack of proper training also played a role.
 
jonnymac44 said:
wow, I don't usually watch stuff like that. How sad they're not allowed to cap the guy before he was able to murder the cops. If it's true about the laws prohibiting the use of deadly force that is a shame. I'm sure lack of proper training also played a role.
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It's pretty obvious those policemen didn't have the training, or the tools to go into that situation. If there are deadly force rules that prevent them from protecting themselves in that situation, that is a crime in itself.

A bean bag round in the chest, and a second, if necessary would have been the ticket there. Then go in and pin his knife arm, and him enmasse.
 
Man, if that was here in Vegas, Metro would have filled that guy so full of lead the second they stepped out of the squad cars, unless he put his knife down immediately. I would not want to be a police officer down there where ever that happened--what are they thinking?!
 
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Wow. I think that is all I can say. I can't imagine being in that situation and not being legally in my right to protect myself. It would have seemed that the may with the rifle would have stayed a bit back to neutralize the situation. This need to be shown to all US police so they can see why knives = NO playing around.
 
I've seen that before. It was brutal. The customs in that country basically tie the hands of the policemen responding to these madmen.

And just imagine, sometimes we can have the opposite extreme in this country.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_47d3b9b2-8345-11e0-a48d-001cc4c03286.html

Notice this is the same Clarence Dupnik who wanted to impugn the entire Republican party-- and pretty much all gun owners-- in the aftermath of the Gabby Giffords shooting. Now he feels it is okay to use gestapo style tactics to riddle a man with bullets-- 60 times, and in his own home-- before he fires off a single shot.
 
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Looks as if no info. has been released as to what really happened in that Guerena case. After reading the article, if he raised a rifle at LE's or SWAT, he pretty much sealed his fate then. Ironically, I have a very very good friend who is SWAT in a western US city, and talking with him this week, they were called to a house where shots had been fired and a man had barricaded himself in his home. After SWAT arrived and established perimeters around the house, the man fired several shots, not sure as to where, but the last shot, he took his own life.

My buddy on the team told me, safety of civilians and fellow team members are priority number one, which means if you raise a rifle and say "I got something for you guys" things will end tragically more times than not.

Unfortunately in today's society, there are alot of crazy people, and you cannot wait around to see if they are one of the crazy ones or not, that waiting could cost you or innocents there lives.
 
21 foot rule! If confronted with an agressive suspect confronting Law Enforcement with an edged weapon deadly force is justified! The time needed for an individual trained in edged weapons or not they can close the 21 foot gap in mere seconds...............double tap, done!
 
highway74 said:
21 foot rule! If confronted with an agressive suspect confronting Law Enforcement with an edged weapon deadly force is justified! The time needed for an individual trained in edged weapons or not they can close the 21 foot gap in mere seconds...............double tap, done!
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Done? Maybe. That guy was shot numerous times, they should've burped him with the AK.
 
Shoot till there is no longer a threat. Double tap is great...on paper.

Empty a magazine if you need to.......
 
Maybe I missed something here but, this guy was confronted by the cops, not the other way around. He was leaving the area it seemed to me. Then they surrounded him with guns and the first cop who got it in the lung made an offensive move on him with a stick or something. You surround me with guns, same thing will happen. looks like a bunch of trigger happy oinks in this thread if you ask me.
 
Izan said:
Maybe I missed something here but, this guy was confronted by the cops, not the other way around. He was leaving the area it seemed to me. Then they surrounded him with guns and the first cop who got it in the lung made an offensive move on him with a stick or something. You surround me with guns, same thing will happen. looks like a bunch of trigger happy oinks in this thread if you ask me.
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Pretty tough talk....

I'm not a cop, but I have enough sense not to pull a knife on one. I gaurantee if you try what that guy did here in the states, you'll be nothing but a stain on the cement in about 3 seconds.
 
lsheldon said:
Pretty tough talk....

I'm not a cop, but I have enough sense not to pull a knife on one. I gaurantee if you try what that guy did here in the states, you'll be nothing but a stain on the cement in about 3 seconds.
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Nice high and evasive ground there... Cops were still wrong.
 
Izan said:
Nice high and evasive ground there... Cops were still wrong.
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I watched the video, and the news crew were trying to interview him for some reason. That means to me that he was known to the news crew, so it stands to reason he was known to the cops.

Now I don't speak spanish, so I was unable to follow the conversations in the video, but for all I know he could have very well been a wanted drug dealer, a murderer, or wanted for any number of crimes.

So why is that high and evasive ground, and how do you know the cops were wrong?
 
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