Guy brought a knife to a gunfight!

Wow, tragic ending to that confrontation. If they're not allowed to use deadly force (which seems illogical), then why didn't they use tazers or pepper spray for this type of situation? Don't they issue non-lethal means of apprehending a subject in Nicaragua? And why did the LEO who was first stabbed have to lie on the ground for almost 3 minutes before finally getting loaded into a car (:confused:) for a trip to the hospital? The perp was clearly down before this point. I also noticed that they were in no particular hurry to prevent the assailant from bleeding out on the grass.

Oh well, it's always easier to second guess this type of encounter from the comfort of our own homes than being there when it all goes down and having to abide by their laws and rules, huh? 20/20 hindsight, and all that. Just very sad the way it played out. :(

BTW, the action starts at about 4:00 for those who are watching.

- Mark
 
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Izan said:
Maybe I missed something here but, this guy was confronted by the cops, not the other way around. He was leaving the area it seemed to me. Then they surrounded him with guns and the first cop who got it in the lung made an offensive move on him with a stick or something. You surround me with guns, same thing will happen. looks like a bunch of trigger happy oinks in this thread if you ask me.
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Izan said:
Maybe I missed something here but, this guy was confronted by the cops, not the other way around. He was leaving the area it seemed to me. Then they surrounded him with guns and the first cop who got it in the lung made an offensive move on him with a stick or something. You surround me with guns, same thing will happen. looks like a bunch of trigger happy oinks in this thread if you ask me.
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Trigger happy?! Did you watch the video .......the guy didn't get shot until after he stabbed the second cop. So you are saying anyone who is walking away should be able to leave no matter what they did? If the cops are surrounding you with guns.....I am sure it for a reason and anything other than compliance would result in your untimely death.
 
Izan, you sound so sure of yourself when you say the cops were wrong but your contradicting yourself because you stated that "it seemed to me" which means you don't know the whole story, your only assuming it. I'm sure most if not all of us don't know the whole story and I know you don't. Our comments are based on what we know about how the police operate here in the USA and most of the time (yes there are exceptions where police have abused their power and I am the last one to want to side with the police-trust me on that one) if you are surrounded by police and they draw their guns because you have a knife in your hand and you start stabbing a couple of them---1. it's pretty stupid of you and 2. 99% of the time, you are in the wrong. Think a little before you write something that is directed toward other members.
 
There must be some really bad rules of engagement, preventing the cops from shooting. I mean, the cop that had the AK. That decided a stick was a better defensive weapon against a knife,,,:eek:
 
Had this occurred in the Philippines, that guy would have been given a cold steel (not the brand) enema. They train against knife assailants over there and one thing they know, if the assailant is within 10 yards of you, you won't be able to clear the holster in time to stop him stabbing you.
 
Of course there are places, if you don't comply lickity split. You won't know what hit you,,, :eek: :foot:



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parbajtor said:
Had this occurred in the Philippines, that guy would have been given a cold steel (not the brand) enema. They train against knife assailants over there and one thing they know, if the assailant is within 10 yards of you, you won't be able to clear the holster in time to stop him stabbing you.
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It's actually a scary 7 yards, thus the 21 foot rule, I've watched videos on same, pretty scary and in the hands of a trained individual before the officer can draw his weapon he's already evicerated. I'd rather be shot then attacked by a competant knife wielding assailant.
 
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Of course there are places, if you don't comply lickity split. You won't know what hit you,,, :eek: :foot:



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Here is the extreme opposite of the situation, where immediate compliance is required or you get shot 5 times by a trigger happy cop. The 21 foot rule is about drawing your weapon to fire, if you know you are apprehending someone with a dangerous weapon why wait to draw? That forces you into a more dangerous situation. If the officer had his weapon drawn before hand he could of waited for the guy to actually start his charge, instead of shooting him for turning around.

The officer has resigned, "A Firearms Review Board described the shooting as "unjustified and outside of policy, tactics and training." he was tried but the jury was split and now a civil suit is being filed against him. That shooting was a clear screw up by the officer.
 
trukreltrog said:
Of course there are places, if you don't comply lickity split. You won't know what hit you,,, :eek: :foot:



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trukreltrog, of course you have post a video which shows THE COP using bad judgement in my opinion.:rolleyes: I would have handled that situation differently as a police officer--the man was minding his own business and using a knife in public to do something that wasn't a threat to anyone. (not very smart if you live in certain areas) but I would have given the guy a little more room and time to think about what was happening before I just blasted him like that--in THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE FIRST VIDEO IN SOUTH AMERICA. Again, I don't know the whole story but by watching and listening to the video, it doesn't look like the guy was a suspect of unusual activity prior to the encounter shown and it doesn't SEEM like he charged the police officer with the knife-I could be wrong because you can't see that part but I think, after watching the guy cross the street, he would not have been in a normal mental state if he did react to the cop by charging at him with the knife. The cop even stated that he wouldn't put the knife down-he didn't say the guy charged at him with the knife which I think he would have distincly included in his initial statement to his fellow officers. IZAN, READ THIS POST CAREFULLY AND AGAIN THINK-you might learn something. Watch both videos and look at the suspects and the cops. Both very different situations. Again, we don't know the whole story in both videos but BY WHAT WE CAN SEE, in the first video the suspect is the aggressor and in the second video, the cop looks like he used bad jugement and was a little trigger happy as you say. There you go.
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wolfdad said:
trukreltrog said:
Of course there are places, if you don't comply lickity split. You won't know what hit you,,, :eek: :foot:



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trukreltrog, of course you have post a video which shows THE COP using bad judgement in my opinion.:rolleyes: I would have handled that situation differently as a police officer--the man was minding his own business and using a knife in public to do something that wasn't a threat to anyone. (not very smart if you live in certain areas) but I would have given the guy a little more room and time to think about what was happening before I just blasted him like that--in THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE FIRST VIDEO IN SOUTH AMERICA. Again, I don't know the whole story but by watching and listening to the video, it doesn't look like the guy was a suspect of unusual activity prior to the encounter shown and it doesn't SEEM like he charged the police officer with the knife-I could be wrong because you can't see that part but I think, after watching the guy cross the street, he would not have been in a normal mental state if he did react to the cop by charging at him with the knife. The cop even stated that he wouldn't put the knife down-he didn't say the guy charged at him with the knife which I think he would have distincly included in his initial statement to his fellow officers. IZAN, READ THIS POST CAREFULLY AND AGAIN THINK-you might learn something. Watch both videos and look at the suspects and the cops. Both very different situations. Again, we don't know the whole story in both videos but BY WHAT WE CAN SEE, in the first video the suspect is the aggressor and in the second video, the cop looks like he used bad jugement and was a little trigger happy as you say. There you go.
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My first post was not in regards to the police that were there, it was the feeling i was getting by the responses of the members in the thread. If you are a cop, you understand risks, and animosity towards you by people whatever their reason. With that comes danger. This inherit danger does not though, entitle officers to actively degrade a situation, hence these cops surrounding the man. True if he was "wanted" for other criminal acts that were so bad as to justify a lynch style attack, then yes, the police had a right ( as their government as issued them) to peruse the man. Lack of training and tactics for subduing a knife wielding assailant was painfully obvious here.

There are hundreds of videos now of cops abusing their power. abuse comes in many forms, one in particular is when police ask for ID, when on a public street, walking. You refuse, you have problems that will only get worse for you if you do not comply. This raises a problem with people like myself. I will not be treated like I am a criminal, yet almost all officers i have met will do just this to anyone at any time treating any engagement with civilians as a potential threat. While previously i stated that there is an inherent danger for being a police officer, some engagements that turn out bad would have been avoided if the officer did not meddle in the situation. You are a cop, you see a crime, stop it. You get called to a crime, stop it. You do not on your own determine that a crime or a criminal might exist. you work for the people, you serve the people not your self or any agenda.

Police are a working tool of control and the irrefutable personification of our loss of freedoms. And there are some with a god complex and all shall bow attitude. I for one will not bow.

Like i said before, if you have reason to arrest me on site, like the man in the video, then so be it. But if you are not in a position for an on sight arrest and you pursue me, with assault rifles drawn, surround me, and engage me with a weapon, i will freely engage in battle. Death to you or me or both, i will not be controlled like an animal.

I just to not like the vocal and energetic support of a shoot bad guys if they are being bad mentality in this thread.


And yes, i do not speak Spanish or whatever language that was and i do not know the story other that what i saw. These are all of my opinions as were my previous posts.
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Izan, reread my posts carefully.......and just a suggestion, maybe you should be pointing your finger at the politicians in office if your worried about loss of freedoms (its a more efficient method). Other than that, it's not worth my time to go around in circles with you about the points that I made earlier-you've chosen to take "high and evasive ground"................... Izan, I know it seems like several people are against you on this one but just know that deep inside all of us, WE ALL LOVE YOU MAN cause you're a freedom loving bladeforum member just like we are.;):) Now, shall we drink? A toast to you, IZAN!!, and all the good police officers out there, how many ever that you think are out there and down with politicians and police officers who abuse their power. Man I feel great, I just got my MUK!!
 
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wolfdad said:
Izan, reread my posts carefully.......and just a suggestion, maybe you should be pointing your finger at the politicians in office if your worried about loss of freedoms (its a more efficient method). Other than that, it's not worth my time to go around in circles with you about the points that I made earlier-you've chosen to take "high and evasive ground"................... Izan, I know it seems like several people are against you on this one but just know that deep inside all of us, WE ALL LOVE YOU MAN cause your a freedom loving bladeforum member just like we are.;):) Now, shall we drink? A toast to you, IZAN!!, and all the good police officers out there, how many ever that you think are out there and down with politicians and police officers who abuse their power. Man I feel great, I just got my MUK!!
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Well put!
 
Well the lady that the news reporter interview at the beginning had called the police because the exhusban (the guy that got shot) had made treaths and had intentions of killing her ant the boyfriend.
The police had a reason to be there this was a domestic case and they asked the guy many times to come with them and he refuse, the lady also said that he just wanted to get shot and he told her that if she would not shoot him he would kill her instead.
I'm my opinion this is why domestic calls are so hated by law enforcement officers, they start little but they escalate very quickly, I have been called to many suicides by cop and all I can say is that this guy should not been given all of the chances that they gave him to lower his weapon, and the officers should of used deadly force long before they got injured and the one killed!! This is a good example of poor training and shity politics also to set the life in danger of 3 officers.

Good luck to all the LEO out there stay safe!!!!
 
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first off the guy had threatened his wife about an affair, and said he would kill her and her lover,so the police had cause to take him in,it sounds like izan may be full of lead some day with that attitude.
 
lsheldon said:
I watched the video, and the news crew were trying to interview him for some reason. That means to me that he was known to the news crew, so it stands to reason he was known to the cops.

Now I don't speak spanish, so I was unable to follow the conversations in the video, but for all I know he could have very well been a wanted drug dealer, a murderer, or wanted for any number of crimes.

So why is that high and evasive ground, and how do you know the cops were wrong?
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I asked someone about it who understands Spanish a lot better than I do, and who has lived in Nicaragua on and off for the past 10 years. The woman they're interviewing is talking about how she doesn't want him anymore and she's moved on, and he's threatened to kill her and her new beau (I think he said the threat was also directed against her new boyfriend, anyway). I thnk it's safe to assume that that's why the cops were there too.

My friend was also very surprised to see the cops behave the way they did, because they usually go for excessive force as the first option. Based on his experience, the cops down there are generally unprofessional, poorly trained, and corrupt. If you're well connected, you can get away with pretty much anything; if you're not, you probably get a beat-down. The incompetence is to be expected; the restraint not so much so.
 
This video and thhis kind of response from the police seems very strange to all of americans here . I don't know the laws there but I can say in Romania laws are very stupid ,not just for cops ,this things apply to the regular law abbiding citizens . Virtualy is no self defence here . You have to respond to the attak with same amount of force or weappont ,so if someone attaks you with fists you can't defend youself with a knife ,or if someone takes a knife out you cant respond untill he makes a move on you . As a police officer if you are attaked you can fire your gun but only in the legs ,you cant aim for the had or chest . And automaticaly you are investigated by the DA. I can teal you a story a felow police subofficer told me . A known car thief stoled a car and was followed by police cars ,he managed to pass the first barrage and was heading for the second one where my friand was ,passed them allso and my friend started to follow allso . He fired his gun to the stolen car . For that he was punnished ( no one was kiled or wounded) just for fireing the gun . I don't agrre with the american way of dooing things and is not normal that a regular man to be afraid that he could be shot by the police . The kind of things happening now in US dindn't happend here under the communist dictatorship ,not even under Russian ocupation after WW2 .
 
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