Gym goers?

Houlahound said:
Anyone train?

age?

what are you training for?

What program do you use.

What are your main lift 1rm numbers

Me;
54yo

Power lifting - consider myself novice/intermediate

Strength

Finished/ plateaued 5x5 starting mad dog

In kilograms
BP - 180
DL - 220
Squat - 200
OHP (strict) - 90
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You’re not a “novice” if you bench 400 pounds.. but there should be a greater disparity between your BP and squat/DL. Time to build up that back and legs!
 
David Mary said:
I remember now that you mention it. Using momentum, it comes up behind the back, and like a pendulum you bring it back up over head, and similar movements. It does look excellent. I'd have to have a place a little more private to want to train with those. My ceiling is too low inside as you now know. But I do kettlebell halos, bent presses, windmills, presses, and quite a few other shoulder movements that are at least better than nothing.
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I do it outside.....
My neighbors thinks I'm a Coook. Haha

Usually once it gets dark
 
Pmurt Dlanod said:
You’re not a “novice” if you bench 400 pounds.. but there should be a greater disparity between your BP and squat/DL. Time to build up that back and legs!
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I think those squat and DL numbers are around novice, maybe advanced novice. But bench and OP are definitely intermediate, so I think he accurately characterized his lifting advancement level. But he's stronger than most, I think, and his back and legs are surely more than strong enough, though not in proportion to his upper body lifts. Nevertheless, I doubt he has "chicken leg syndrome". ;)
 
I remember my gym rat days… I used to wear this shirt that said “Do you even lift, bro?” with a picture of a forklift. I also had one that said “Dost thou even hoist?”

Got lots of squinty-eyed stares. Lol!
 
How I would interpret those numbers depends on weight class, build/levers, competing or not.
ETA: and at his age, injury history.
 
Richard338 said:
How I would interpret those numbers depends on weight class, build/levers, competing or not.
ETA: and at his age, injury history.
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Touché. I guess I was going by lift calculators I used to look at for my size and age range.
 
I was gifted at SQ/DL and had similar numbers in both, and was relatively less competitive in BP.
When competing, it is the total that matters. I probably wasted effort and fried my rotators trying to bring my bench into balance when I could more easily add even more to SQ/DL.
 
I switched to using a bench bar where your hands are aligned parallel to body not perpendicular. It is so much better on your joints. Also stopped chasing improving numbers, it's a stupid addiction with diminishing gains that only leads to a destruction of your body thru wear and tear and injury.

Still think it should be mandatory for every human to max out a 5x5 program before they are physically mature. It will set them up for better health outcomes for life.

The average human body in the contemporary developed world is a sack of turd.
 
Houlahound said:
I switched to using a bench bar where your hands are aligned parallel to body not perpendicular. It is so much better on your joints. Also stopped chasing improving numbers, it's a stupid addiction with diminishing gains that only leads to a destruction of your body thru wear and tear and injury.

Still think it should be mandatory for every human to max out a 5x5 program before they are physically mature. It will set them up for better health outcomes for life.

The average human body in the contemporary developed world is a sack of turd.
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I don’t think maxing out a 5x5 has anything to do with “better health for life”. It’s a controversial topic but imho the best overall exercise for most people given limited time and resources is jogging. If people jog throughout their lives, and ate healthy foods, the results on overall health would be substantial.
 
Pmurt Dlanod said:
I don’t think maxing out a 5x5 has anything to do with “better health for life”. It’s a controversial topic but imho the best overall exercise for most people given limited time and resources is jogging. If people jog throughout their lives, and ate healthy foods, the results on overall health would be substantial.
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Cardio is essential, I think jogging is one of the worst ways to get it. I would rate swimming, hiking, climbing, wrestling, bicycle riding.....etc over jogging. Jogging ime has very poor translation into benefitting other sports or physical challenges. The only thing jogging is good for is to make you better at jogging and destroying your joints long term.

From military friends it seems even the military has dropped their mindless obsession with jogging over more functional fitness. Probs have something to do with all the knee and other joint injuries they caused.

More to my point jogging forever will never address the issues I was referring to with a basic 5x5.

Stop jogging for a month and it's like you never jogged. Do an overall strength program like 5x5 once before maturity and the rest of your life is improved.
 
Houlahound said:
Cardio is essential, I think jogging is one of the worst ways to get it. I would rate swimming, hiking, climbing, wrestling, bicycle riding.....etc over jogging.

From military friends it seems even the military has dropped their mindless obsession with jogging over more functional fitness. Probs have something to do with all the knee and other joint injuries they caused.

More to my point jogging forever will never address the issues I was referring to with a basic 5x5.

Stop jogging for a month and it's like you never jogged. Do an overall strength program like 5x5 once before maturity and the rest of your life is improved.
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I said “given limited resources”, meaning “something most people can do at a moments notice anywhere in world”. You can’t just start wrestling and swimming whenever you want. Also, you don’t lose all your cardio benefit from a break in jogging for 30 days. I’d argue you lose more when you stop lifting.

I did it all… wrestling, MMA, lifting, running, track, etc. and my personal verdict is that jogging benefits people the most. You can tie up shoes and go jog around the block anywhere in the world practically. Try and find a pool in Afghanistan or a person to wrestle with when you’re over the age of 18. People have to make the most with what they have.
 
Pmurt Dlanod said:
I said “given limited resources”, meaning “something most people can do at a moments notice anywhere in world”. You can’t just start wrestling and swimming whenever you want. Also, you don’t lose all your cardio benefit from a break in jogging for 30 days. I’d argue you lose more when you stop lifting.

I did it all… wrestling, MMA, lifting, running, track, etc. and my personal verdict is that jogging benefits people the most. You can tie up shoes and go jog around the block anywhere in the world practically. Try and find a pool in Afghanistan or a person to wrestle with when you’re over the age of 18. People have to make the most with what they have.
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Good point about resources, still jogging has its own resource problems. For a start for a lot of people mainly women jogging in many parts of the world can get you killed, mugged or worse real quick (defund the police the morons with private security teams say). Some people do not even have shoes, many people have injuries or impediments that rule jogging out but those people can ride a bike, bikes are all over every country and its not hard to make a mount to use a bike indoors.

Calisthenics/body weight can increase your cardio with many more other benefits.

Anyhoo, lots of options - everyone can do something and that's the point
 
Houlahound said:
Good point about resources, still jogging has its own resource problems. For a start for a lot of people mainly women jogging in many parts of the world can get you killed, mugged or worse real quick (defund the police the morons with private security teams say). Some people do not even have shoes, many people have injuries or impediments that rule jogging out but those people can ride a bike, bikes are all over every country and its not hard to make a mount to use a bike indoors.

Calisthenics/body weight can increase your cardio with many more other benefits.

Anyhoo, lots of options - everyone can do something and that's the point
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Kenyans are the fastest marathon runners on the planet and they don’t wear shoes.
 
Shoes are prisons for the feet to limit their strength and agility, and cause them to have tender skin.

Jogging is perhaps an enjoyable pastime for some, but I should think hardly anyone in this thread needs to be reminded of the SAID principle of physiological adaptation. And then the question "benefits people the most, how?"

What benefits people most in my opinion is what provides their bodies the adaptations they need to become healthier, and especially to overcome weaknesses. For people who need to lose significant weight, jogging is a terrible idea as a means to that end, on account of being less effective for the purpose to begin with than other easily accessible options, and most of all because it is much more dangerous to the joints due to higher forces.
 
Kenya is well represented in elite marathon running, but to say they don't wear shoes is absurd. Not only do all elite marathon runners wear shoes, right now they almost all wear the new "super shoes" with enhanced efficiency, thought to be a big part of a lot of recent top performances.

There can be more to running than jogging a few miles a few times a week which one quickly adapts to. Training for 400m sprints for example involves numerous intense elements some of which are done in the weight room.
 
David Mary said:
Shoes are prisons for the feet to limit their strength and agility, and cause them to have tender skin.

Jogging is perhaps an enjoyable pastime for some, but I should think hardly anyone in this thread needs to be reminded of the SAID principle of physiological adaptation. And then the question "benefits people the most, how?"

What benefits people most in my opinion is what provides their bodies the adaptations they need to become healthier, and especially to overcome weaknesses. For people who need to lose significant weight, jogging is a terrible idea as a means to that end, on account of being less effective for the purpose to begin with than other easily accessible options, and most of all because it is much more dangerous to the joints due to higher forces.
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Well if you’re talking about people too fat to jog, they need special workout plans. What about people too skinny to lift weights effectively? It‘s a numbers game, and easing people from walking into jogging is effective, and jogging is the most beneficial form of exercise there is. Bench presses and squats don’t really matter much for cardiovascular endurance and cardiovascular endurance is the most beneficial life long gain. No one cares how much a 60 year old can bench, but if he’s jogging he probably won’t need a walker as soon as his peers.
 
I'd rather see obese people begin by walking with weight added, backpack, frontpack walks, walks, hill walks, stair walks. The impact is lower, but it stimulates the core, and fires the glutes, especially the hill and stair walking. Just adding this in as a preliminary exercise stage is fun, easier on the body (because you can control and limit exertions more easily on account of pace), and can be eased into as gradually as necessary or as quickly as desired.
 
But for people who are not heavy enough to really hurt themselves with jogging, I guess for fun. I run to the corner store and/or back sometimes. Mostly after dark. If I sprint I go on the grass. But I am not interested in long distance running. That being said, I do periodically force myself to go on a more than trivial barefoot run to make sure I don't lose it.
 
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