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RescueRiley

RescueRiley

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I useed to own a single shot 20 gauge made by NEF when I was a kid I believe they changed thier name to h&r when they were bought out by marlin...Well any way I've been thinking about picking up thier matched set it's a single shot .22 with an interchangable .410 shotgun barrel (for camp use and small game) the whole package breaks down in to a poratable litle package....it is similar to the rossi matched pair but more sturdy ( I believe)...Any one have one of these, or know anything aboput them? I konw alot of folks are not fond of the .410 as a shotgun, I like it fine for use within its limitations, I consider a .410 a close range squirrel and bunny gun, I use a 20 for everything else. I'd love a springfield m6 but they are not made in rifle form anymore.
 
Hey Riley
could be wrong but I think H&R came first then NEF.New England Firearms are great I've always liked the .410- 22 Hornet combo, nice survival team. Shotgun for birds, Hornet for Bunnys or bigger game. Hornet brass is also easy to reload. With NEF You can have them fit diffrent caliber barrels from .22LR to 45/70 or the new 500 S&W Magnum I had my NEF.223 Remington in for service last year and had them fit the 22 Hornet bbl. and the 45/70 Govt. cost was around $75 OR $80 per bbl. It also has the advantage considering your location that you only have to register one gun and not the bbl.'s
 
I literally have a closet full of shotguns including Italian doubles and brownings but the gun I use most is a NEF, and they did come after H&R, 20 single. It is light, easy to carry, fits me well and shoots where I look. I am going to fit it with a tang site for slugs, the sight will cost more than the 65 dollars I paid for the gun. I think a 410/22 is a bit redundant and would rather have a 20/22, the only reason for the 410 would be small game which the 22 already does, for wingshooting the 410 is best left to the experts and IMO is less than optimal. Chris
 
runningboar said:
I literally have a closet full of shotguns including Italian doubles and brownings but the gun I use most is a NEF, and they did come after H&R, 20 single. It is light, easy to carry, fits me well and shoots where I look. I am going to fit it with a tang site for slugs, the sight will cost more than the 65 dollars I paid for the gun. I think a 410/22 is a bit redundant and would rather have a 20/22, the only reason for the 410 would be small game which the 22 already does, for wingshooting the 410 is best left to the experts and IMO is less than optimal. Chris
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Hey Chris
your right about the 20 guage over the 410 last time I checked on new NEF'S they were only selling a limited number of combo packages 22 lr 410 & 22 Hornet-410 It's been a year or so and this may have changed I think they had these more for a first gun set up for kids and new shooters to get used to shooting and recoil then for serious wing shooters (cheap ammo) if you have kids you know what I mean
 
I'd prefer the 20/22 mt self, but they don't make them the onley ccompany that mekse them is rossi and I'm a little suspicious of the quality
 
RescueRiley said:
I'd prefer the 20/22 mt self, but they don't make them the onley ccompany that mekse them is rossi and I'm a little suspicious of the quality
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You could order a rifle and have them fit the shotgun barrel of your choice
P.S. If you deside to go this route i was told they will fit shot gun barrels to rifle recievers but not the other way arround even though the recievers are exactly the same. Federal law says that shot guns must have minimum barrel length of 18" some of the rifles are shorter
 
Nef did come after H&R, but they are the same company and there is little difference with the two. I agree with what everyone is saying about the 20ga. over the .410. The 20 is much more versatile as a small game gun, and you can even buy one with sights and use it for big game too. The .410 is pretty useless in my opinion. See if you can buy a 20 with iron sights and have it fitted at the factory for a .22. This way you can hunt big and small game with the 20 guage barrel, then put the .22 barrel on for small game that sit still or fun plinking. Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.
 
There is one problem I can think of, the shotgun is a center fire and the 22 is a rimfire, I don't know how they allow for that. I know on the Contender there is a switch on the hammer to change from one to the other, I don't know how they accomlish this with the Rossi or NEF guns. Chris
 
The hammer has a rotating/flip-down firing pin.

Cock the hammer, rotate it for the squirrel in the tree using the .22 barrel.......suddenly, a plump pheasant takes flight, flip the firing pin down and shoot the bird w/ the shotgun barrel.

Cool and simple arrangement !

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that's like the savage and m6 models, the rosi and the H&r are seperate removable barrels the .22 barrel is the same diameter as the .410 but the chamber is offset so that the firing pin still hits to the center but is actually making contact with the rim of the rimfire cartridge, I like the double barrel combo guns but I find they are expensive, heavy, (8 lbs) and don't shoo to the smae poa.
 
I have a Lam. stocked .308 Ultra Hunter that is a great gun. The design allows for my 22" bbl rifle to be even shorter than my pops 20" bbl bolt action. I am looking to put a survivor stock on it for, well c'mon guys look where we're posting, obvious reasons. It has put about 7 deer on the table, and is a sweet gun to tote through the Ouachitas. Total $$ was around 2 bills several years ago. I do advise either a tube of Iosso paste, or flitz, along with an oversized bore swab, and some elbow grease to slick up the chamber and bbl. I also live over on the H&R forum at Greybeards, great place for advice and troubleshooting these sleepers.:D :D
 
Beckerhead, do you live up near Mena? About 15 (?) years ago I had occasion to make a quick visit to Mena International Airport, but it had not become famous at that time so I didn't know its background. :D I like that part of the country, but we had to drive all the way back down to Texarkana to find a place to spend the night. Stopped off in a couple of little bait and gun shops along the way and I bought some quartz crystals from an old man who was selling them in his yard.
 
Riley, Harrington & Richardson (H&R) was in business for many decades, but they ran onto hard times, had to reorganize, and sort of split into New England Firearms (NEF) and H&R 1871 or something like that. Later Marlin bought both incarnations I think, so that should insure their continued survival. I like their hardware and I like the concept of simple, affordable weapons. I have an old H&R 20 gauge that came with a .30-30 barrel from the factory. It's a great combination, but it was made quite awhile back. I think I bought it used about 25-30 years ago. A used H&R or NEF is one of the bargains in the gun world. I have an NEF .45-70 and the 12 gauge barrel from an older H&R fits that frame and forearm perfectly for another good combo. The older H&R guns have the barrel lug (underneath) oven brazed to the barrel, but the newer NEF guns all have theirs fusion welded I think, hence the reason it's been made in some high pressure rifle calibers such as .270, .30-06, etc. Oven brazing worked just fine for the lower pressure rounds, though. Properly done, brazing makes a very strong joint.

Rossi makes decent quality weapons, and it's now owned by Taurus I think. Taurus makes some of its pistols in a plant in Miami, but I'm guessing that the bulk of their and Rossi's production is still made in Brazil. I'm sure both brands are carried my millions of folks in South America.
 
RescueRiley said:
I useed to own a single shot 20 gauge made by NEF when I was a kid I believe they changed thier name to h&r when they were bought out by marlin...Well any way I've been thinking about picking up thier matched set it's a single shot .22 with an interchangable .410 shotgun barrel (for camp use and small game) the whole package breaks down in to a poratable litle package....it is similar to the rossi matched pair but more sturdy ( I believe)...Any one have one of these, or know anything aboput them? I konw alot of folks are not fond of the .410 as a shotgun, I like it fine for use within its limitations, I consider a .410 a close range squirrel and bunny gun, I use a 20 for everything else. I'd love a springfield m6 but they are not made in rifle form anymore.
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NEF marketed under the H&R 1871 brandname, along with their own, for a number of years prior to being bought out by Marlin. Both brand names were very high quality. I learned how to hunt on an H&R 1871 Pardner in .410. I currently hunt deer with one of the H&R Slug guns- rifled barrel- and it is insanely accurate. Your right- the .410 is an adequate round for popping off squirrels. The H&R's are very robust.

The Rossi's aren't that bad, especially considering they retail for $119 new. The fit and finish seem a little better done on the recently manufactured ones, but you should go for the best. I almost wish the H&R I used as a kid had the decocker lever on it. For a beginner, it can be a little intimidating trying to ease the hammer down with a live shell chambered, though I never had a negligent discharge.

If you want a super nice .410, get a Remington 870 Express pump with a vent rib.
 
Rossi makes decent quality weapons, and it's now owned by Taurus I think. Taurus makes some of its pistols in a plant in Miami, but I'm guessing that the bulk of their and Rossi's production is still made in Brazil. I'm sure both brands are carried my millions of folks in South America.
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I know that to some extent, Rossi and Taurus are in on stuff together. Rossi advertises their revolvers as being made by Taurus, and the new Taurus gallery pump .22s look an awful lot like the old Rossis.
 
Dr. Mudd said:
Beckerhead, do you live up near Mena? About 15 (?) years ago I had occasion to make a quick visit to Mena International Airport, but it had not become famous at that time so I didn't know its background. :D I like that part of the country, but we had to drive all the way back down to Texarkana to find a place to spend the night. Stopped off in a couple of little bait and gun shops along the way and I bought some quartz crystals from an old man who was selling them in his yard.
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I don't live there, but the Natl. Forest is where we do 99% of our hunting, camping, and fishing. It is really nice area if you know where to go.
 
I don't know about Rossi, but Taurus revolvers are not the best quality. They do have a lifetime warranty, but the guys at my local gun shops are constantly sending them back to be rebuilt. after hearing that, I started to pay attention and noticed a lot of the Taurus's in thew swap sheet say they have been rebuilt by the factory. Not my idea of a good gun.
 
troutfisher13111 said:
I don't know about Rossi, but Taurus revolvers are not the best quality. They do have a lifetime warranty, but the guys at my local gun shops are constantly sending them back to be rebuilt. after hearing that, I started to pay attention and noticed a lot of the Taurus's in thew swap sheet say they have been rebuilt by the factory. Not my idea of a good gun.
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That is interesting. I worked in a gun store back in the 80's and the Taurus revolvers all looked like the were cast from the crappy castings that S&W threw away. They looked exactly like S&W but really, really crappy finish and materials. I thought they were absolute garbage back then. I come back and start looking at guns again 20 years later, and I am really impressed by what appears to be a remarkable increase in the quality, fit and finish of Taurus and some of the other "marginal" gun manufacturers.

I remember the Rossi guns as being of decent quality back then. Those old Rossi pumps were pretty good guns. At least thats what I remember. The Llama guns were pretty decent also. They had a .380 that actually looked like a pretty good gun back then and seemed to be of reasonable quality. Never actually fired it though.

I'd be interested in hearing others first hand experience with Taurus and Rossi but I don't want to hijack the thread. Sorry for the diversion RescueRiley.

KR
 
no problem I handled a display model rossi in the store a few monts back and it did not feel solid maybe it was this particular model...all the reviews are good... maybe i'll look at another.
 
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