handgun characteristics ??? against big bears...

in this case all a handgun will give you is a false sense of security, don't get me wrong i like handguns and love big handguns but in alaska a pistol won't cut it. I'd go with a shotgun, short barreled, 12 gauge with slugs. if you're not turned on by the shotgun you might consider a marlin lever action in 45-70 shooting solids. now if you had moved to arkansas, home of the beginner bears, then i'd say go with a .44. but you moved to bear central and if you want to keep from seeing the inside of a bears digestive tracrt up close you better go armed accordingly. good luck, ahgar
oh and by the way there have been studies that some types of pepper spray are very effective, but not as loud.
 
My father was on a bear hunt in Idaho (I know there only "beginner bears") with a 2-inch s&w .44 as his only gun. He got tired of carrying the rifle left it at camp, as luck would have it this is when he ran into a bear. The bear ran and they gave chase. They treed the bear and my dad shot it in the chest. It fell did a half roll down towards them and picked a target (my dad) and hauled ass. My dad shot it one more time and that was all she wrote. I understand this a whole different situation but it shows it is possible to take a bear down with a hand gun.
 
I appreciate the help and insight and it goes right along with many of the friends I have made up here.

I am not going to carry a shotgun with me everytime I go walk down to the river to go fishing or hiking. pepper spray is well touted, but I was thinking that could be 50/50 and 1 shot use...if that doesnt work at such close range, its over.

with a handgun vs charging bear....I suppose it wont make me feel any better vs pepper spray but at least I might have a second option and get a lucky shot in the nose or eye.

I guess my question is already answered in my own mind. just wanted to hear others opinion/arguement.

getting 12 rds off quickly vs a revolvers 5-8 rds might make a difference

I guess I dont ever want to find out what the answer is and just some mental reassurance that it wont be a waste of time if its not .45

I am not the runner any more, as a few have told me there 1 mile sprint stories to the car.

So it will just be standing my ground or backing up slowly getting out of sight as my options. hopefully I never have to worry about whether I should have brought a shotgun.
 
tripletrash said:
A half inch, 700 grain projectile moving at 1100fps(thats faster than a 45auto) has the energy to stop a bear. hell a 44 with a 350 grain projectile will do the job if you can shoot.
And what "half inch 700gr projectile moving at 1100fps" round would that be?
 
m1marty said:
And what "half inch 700gr projectile moving at 1100fps" round would that be?

I was wondering about that too ... that's an odd combination of specs ... I think there must be a typo there. :confused:
 
If you spend any time in the woods you will have encounters. In the last few months there have been at least two hikers chewed up a little. There are relatively few attacks considering the bear population and the number people out and about. Your greatest danger from wildlife in Alaska is hitting a moose with your car.Your best defence is to be aware and ready.
 
A handgun vs. a bear would be a suicidal proposition even if you were a "gun nut", which - obviously - you aren't.

My suggestions:

1. Avoid bear encounters. Most people in Alaska seem to be able to do this satisfactorily.

2. If you feel you absolutely must carry a handgun, buy a .22LR derringer. Load it with one cartridge. If charged by a bear, fire it into your head. ;)

maximus otter
 
one of my best buds lives in palmer alaska he carries a .454 casull when fishing but has no illusions about its stopping power vs a bear he very much prefers a .375 H&H rifle but its hard to carry while fly fishing. as far as smaller calibres my bud told me if ya ever saw a grizzly up close ya would know why they wouldnt be likely to work well.

as far as avoiding encounters with bears gee thats good advice and i'm sure anyone thats got a brain in there head does that lol, why didnt i think of that?? of course its perfectly plausible to be engaged in an outdoor activity (ie fly fishing) in alaska and without ever intending to do it ya can get between a mother bear and her cubs provoking her to attack ya and by golly pretty quick ya are having an encounter with a bear, in which case i'd much rather have a .454 casull, or a 44 magnum, or just about anything vs a pocket knife or a "22 derringer with one round of ammo".

ya could always go out with a buddy and then ya dont have to outrun the bear only outrun your buddy lol.
 
SIFU1A said:
"as far as avoiding encounters with bears gee thats good advice and i'm sure anyone thats got a brain in there head does that lol, why didnt i think of that??"

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http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/brownbears/attacks/bear-human_conflicts.htm

Total bear casualties 1900-2002: 267, of which 56 were fatal.

Population of Alaska: (2005 estimate) 663,661

Rough chance of being killed by bear in Alaska per annum: 1 in 1,300,000

Don't worry; be happy!

maximus otter
 
You hit the nail Max.I know people who live here that will not do anything outdoors for fear of bears.Your odds of trouble are very slim.
From my experience most bears either have a natural fear of humans or they think we stink few years back on a float trip on the North Slope with my friend Dan Westlind we were stalked by a sow and two large cubs.It was open tundra and we watched them come toward us as we were butchering a caribou.They were within 100 yards of us when the wind changed and they took off. Thy are truly awesome creatures.
 
maximus otter said:
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http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/brownbears/attacks/bear-human_conflicts.htm

Total bear casualties 1900-2002: 267, of which 56 were fatal.

Population of Alaska: (2005 estimate) 663,661

Rough chance of being killed by bear in Alaska per annum: 1 in 1,300,000

Don't worry; be happy!

maximus otter

great stats unless ya are one of the fatalities then its not so good.


my bud in palmer said that almost evey yr he's lived there some tourist has gotten mauled/etc, thanks but i'll stick w/a pistol myself, my bud in palmer also.

besides, imho everyone should pack a pistol anyway if ya can, for 2 legged or 4 legged problems. better to have & not need than need and not have.

as i stated above its too easy imho to get into it with one without intending too irregardless of any stats.
 
For the unlikely ( at least in my area) event that you are chased by a bear, a .50 caliber desert eagle or .500 s&w would be great. however, with arthitis, that might be difficult, so id go with a .45 and get dual stacked magazines for extra ammo capacity. lol.
 
I had a Taurus 44 Magnum with an 8-port muzzle brake that reduces recoil substantially. Most anyone can fire one, and they don't kick badly.
 
pcnorton said:
Pistol...grizzly bear. Most likely this is a desperation situation. SO its got to be something you'll carry always.

http://derringer.de/new281.htm

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Here you go 45/70 derringer.



Paul
I'm not too sure that that would be much good, as with that short of a barrel, only 1/2 of the powder would have a chance to burn, so the velosity would be pretty low...Not enough to drive that .45 cal. bullet deep-enough into a bear...But then again, maybe the bear would be burned-up from the fireball coming out of the muzzle of that derringer.:D.
 
In the year or so after that derringer came out a number of people bought it and posted on rec.guns about it. All of them were injured by the recoil when they fired it. Only one of them fired it twice -- wasn't injured badly enough the first time. :rolleyes: My take on that was you should give it to the bear and ask him to shoot the thing. Bears are nearsighted anyway ... he'd probably miss you....
 
Cougar Allen said:
In the year or so after that derringer came out a number of people bought it and posted on rec.guns about it. All of them were injured by the recoil when they fired it. Only one of them fired it twice -- wasn't injured badly enough the first time. :rolleyes: My take on that was you should give it to the bear and ask him to shoot the thing. Bears are nearsighted anyway ... he'd probably miss you....

Thats not the point...It makes you feel safer in bear country, :D And gives you bragging rights if you do get the world record third shot off.

Paul
 
Huh... missed this thread. Around here, every knows the MINIMUM in pistol is a .44 mag. Don't get hollow point. As Cindy stated, bears have thick hides and you want penitration. Alot of it, too, is studying bear characteristics. For example, if they are huffing and "popping" their teeth or chattering, he's most likely going to charge. Study their actions. Bears are said to have personalities similar to humans in regards to: Some bears are always pissed and looking for a fight, some are curious, some are just there, etc.

As for the bear spray... I like bullets cause they don't come back if the wind is in your face. I have been 10 feet from 3 bear cubs on the Russian River. No problems, I just moved. You have to be aware and pay ATTENTION!!! That is the problem. People do not pay attention when they are outdoors. Some stumble onto fresh kills or a buried kill that a bear is watching from a distance. If you want a good read, pick up "Alaska Bear Tales" by Larry (Can't remember). Carr's has them in stock. If gives you an idea about bear attacks and also the humorous side to some run in's. For example, a little girl fell asleep picking berries. Parents did a search party and found her. When they woke her, she asked where her berries went (Bucket was full). They noticed bear tracks all around her. Bear wanted the berries, ate the berries and then left. But also, it gives accounts of how powerful bear attacks truly are.

Here's a quick statistic... I would say 85% or more of all hundred and something bear attacks recorded since the late 1800's in Alaska were due to 2 reasons.
1) They startled the bear. Natural reaction is to neutralize the threat
2) Sow and cubs encounter. Motherly instinct takes over.


Get a minimum .44 magnum pistol, pay attention, avoid bears that you have made a visual contact of, cut the line of a fish on, don't leave food in your tent, etc. These things have helped me out in the wild and are just my thoughts. They may be right or wrong, but have kept my butt safe to date.



Also, on a side note... If you encounter a moose around, watch for signs of agression. Ears back, hack raised. They are quick, powerful and will stomp you a new one. If you are in Anchorage, fairly soon you'll see more showing up in town. Plus the darker hours coming, you have a larger risk of hitting a moose as AKIvory stated. Around 280 moose are killed by cars and many of the drivers are seriously injured or killed because you take the moose out at the legs and the body comes down ontop of your car.
 
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