Handle opinions wanted.

jdm61

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This is my first attempt at a wa-ish type handle and I wanted to get opinions on whether you think that the length is okay. The blade as a 210/225 in that the cutting edge is 210mm long, total length 225mm and like 49mm at the heel. The handle is 130mm long at the pointy part. it needs to be tuned a bit more and obviously have the facets ground in. If'n ya wants to know, the handle is curly maple and old growth Brazilian rosewood with a .63 royal blue G10 spacer. The maple will be dyed to a reddish orange color hopefully.
P.S. No lusting after the giant block of curly maple. ;)IMG_0665.JPG
 
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Ive settled on 125mm length as a good average, but the most frustrating thing with these Wa handles is nearly everyone has a different preference. I agree with Kuraki it looks spot on proportionally.
 
Thank's guys. Right now it balances right at the pinch point,so when it loses a little more weight, it should have that slight tip forward balance that some folks like with a gyuto.
 
Thank's guys. Right now it balances right at the pinch point,so when it loses a little more weight, it should have that slight tip forward balance that some folks like with a gyuto.
That's what I was curious about, but each person likes something a little different. Looks great in my eyes. I would love to put it in my hand to see.
 
That is making me want to purchase some steel suitable for kitchen knives. Looks very good to me.
 
It looks proportional to me, and I think most people make overly long handles. I speculate that it's related to a certain type of insecurity. ;D Kitchen knives seem to be worse, especially when you consider the intended use and standard technique of pinch gripping. It drives me nuts seeing a big sculpted bowie style handle on lots of the popular western style custom chef's knives, makes me seriously question whether the makers have any range.
 
It looks proportional to me, and I think most people make overly long handles. I speculate that it's related to a certain type of insecurity. ;D Kitchen knives seem to be worse, especially when you consider the intended use and standard technique of pinch gripping. It drives me nuts seeing a big sculpted bowie style handle on lots of the popular western style custom chef's knives, makes me seriously question whether the makers have any range.
With some of the Japanese knives, I think is an issue of balance, especially on the bigger blades. Some of them have tiny tangs, so very little steel to counterbalance. A well made Western style chefs knife may be the easiest full tag knife to get the balance right.
 
With some of the Japanese knives, I think is an issue of balance, especially on the bigger blades. Some of them have tiny tangs, so very little steel to counterbalance. A well made Western style chefs knife may be the easiest full tag knife to get the balance right.

You're absolutely correct, although I think there are some pretty big misconceptions about how many of these types of knives should "balance", especially when people are used to making non-kitchen knives. Hell I'd go so far as to say that there are a lot of misconceptions about balance in general, you can balance any knife somewhere, and whether it's lively ham fisted and swinging around in the air, is irrelevant for a large chef's knife. I of course don't claim to be a chef knife expert, I make mostly pocket knives, but I do know a couple of pretty serious, award winning, traditionally educated, and reasonably well known chefs, that I've made some pieces for, and they've complained to me quite a bit about handle weight and size in some of the customs they've paid insane money for, on top of other things. Obviously, we're talking mostly western style pieces though.

Regardless, we both know, that you can size the handle based on appropriate proportion to the eye, and compensate internally for weight if we leave enough material in the tang to remove what's necessary to get it where we want it.


I've seen a lot of makers with big hands, make handles that are 3/4 of an inch or more longer than a ham fisted grip (which is only appropriate for using very specific knives in very specific tasks), that would hit butt first even if you dropped them tip first (I'm exaggerating, but not remotely "balanced"). Maybe they considered that a design feature. =D IMO though, a lighter knife, will almost always feel more "free" in the hand, but some people confuse balance and liveliness with leverage, loving the feel of momentum generated by it, like swinging a baseball bat.


Anyway, I digress. ;D
 
With kitchen knives, especially chef knives/gyutos, I am inclined to leave them a tiny bit blade heavy so the when you pinch, the end of the handle kind of pivots gently up into your palm instead of flying away. On the other hand, with a fighter I try as best as I can to get it to balance at the plunge cut. With a big bowie, if I can get it to within say an inch of the plunge, then I am happy. That is easiest with a big stag carver and a lot of distal taper.
 
Ballance is something I've played around with a lot to get where I like it. Skinners and small hunting knives I like it somewhere between your first finger and the guard. Bowie's should be able to balance on the guard. Chef's knives I'll usually go for the balance point being where you pinch it. I've had a number of chef's try them, and they've all loved the feel of it.
Personally I think the balance and feel of a knife is nearly as important as how it cuts.

Nice work though, I really like that one!
I've done piles of western kitchen knives, but never actually done a Japanese style one... I think I'll add it to my list!
 
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