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Hello all, new to the forum so I apologise if I have broken any site etiquette. I am currently fitting scales onto a stainless steel knife. The scales are bog oak with orange starlight liners. They are attached with clear JB weld and corby bolts. The bog oak isn't stabalised.

I'm intending to use linseed oil to protect them. My question is, should I apply it in layers or soak the knife in the oil. Will the oil impact the epoxy?

Thanks for the help.

Dave
 
Heat and epoxy is bad......

Is the oil cold?


Me personally, on wood, I just use easy to wipe on coats of watco Danish oil.
 
It was going to be a cold soak for a day or two if I were to go down that route. Thank you for replying
 
Heat and epoxy is bad......

Is the oil cold?


Me personally, on wood, I just use easy to wipe on coats of watco Danish oil.
Most epoxy tolerates temperatures of 100-120 Celsius very well so say on 80 Celsius is safe .
I wonder what IF we do that in same way as we stabilizing wood with resin ? Instead of resin we use Linseed oil ??? Under vacuum for sure oil will penetrate very deep in wood ???
 
Most epoxy tolerates temperatures of 100-120 Celsius very well so say on 80 Celsius is safe .
I wonder what IF we do that in same way as we stabilizing wood with resin ? Instead of resin we use Linseed oil ??? Under vacuum for sure oil will penetrate very deep in wood ???
My thoughts:
1 will it cure well?
2 what's the point?
 
The oil should not have any impact on the epoxy.
Linseed oil, can we assume you mean "boiled" not raw? The former will cure more readily than the latter, but neither one will cure in anything like a short time. The high end gun makers that I talked to about oil finish used a mix of linseed, beeswax, terebene drier and white spirit (mineral spirits). This was then wet sanded into the wood with every finer abrasive paper over about a month.
Linseed oil does not "dry" it cures by oxidation reaction. Unless thinned it does not soak in particularly well. What soaking it usually does do is down to how slowly it cures, so there is time for it to sink in, and for you to keep applying new coats.

If you have the option, I would recommend Danish oil ahead of boiled linseed. It has thinners, it has driers, it has resins. It dries and cures and does so in a day or less. Soaking works well to achieve penetration. Wet sanding to fill grain works and on a faster time frame than plain linseed.
 
Like stated linseed oil doesn't quite dry out like you'd want. I've never used it pre-epoxy, but I bet it would cause trouble. Definitely try it on a little bit of pre-soaked wood on scrap first. Epoxy failures are just not fun. If you're lucky they happen in the shop. Unlucky is 2 years later.

Not having worked with Bog Oak .... [disclaimer here]. But I put on finish AFTER epoxy. I've soaked completed handles in linseed before. It's fine. All that said, I agree with C_Claycomb C_Claycomb .

OK, another 1.5 cents. Corby bolts are great. That or peening will keep the scales on. The big reason for the epoxy is to keep the water out and the scales from lifting from the steel. I gave my daughter a knife 20 years ago. She loves it, sentimental value and all that. But the scales lifted ever so slightly in the front. Every time I visit her I have to look at that thing, but she won't let me re-handle it.
 
Like stated linseed oil doesn't quite dry out like you'd want. I've never used it pre-epoxy, but I bet it would cause trouble. Definitely try it on a little bit of pre-soaked wood on scrap first. Epoxy failures are just not fun. If you're lucky they happen in the shop. Unlucky is 2 years later.

Not having worked with Bog Oak .... [disclaimer here]. But I put on finish AFTER epoxy. I've soaked completed handles in linseed before. It's fine. All that said, I agree with C_Claycomb C_Claycomb .

OK, another 1.5 cents. Corby bolts are great. That or peening will keep the scales on. The big reason for the epoxy is to keep the water out and the scales from lifting from the steel. I gave my daughter a knife 20 years ago. She loves it, sentimental value and all that. But the scales lifted ever so slightly in the front. Every time I visit her I have to look at that thing, but she won't let me re-handle it.
Just to clarify it's all glued up now with bolts in place. I'm at the hand sanding stage now.

I'll be having a look at Danish oil. Thanks for all the responses
 
I like to apply finishes like that in layers, the thinner and more of them the better. Can be very time consuming.
Soaking seems like the easiest option, but in my opinion will not provide the best result
 
Soaking or coating or whatever with linseed oil is all going to give the same result.

To answer Natlek, no you can not stabilize wood with Linseed oil. Its a slowly curing polymerizing oil, it slowly reacts to turn into a type of soft plastic.

I think the first commenter misunderstood what you were describing, it wont effect the bond if it has already been set.

As for finishing natural bog oak, treat it like any other oak. Bog oak will darken more with oil finishes, but the curing properties of linseed or Danish oil wont achieve all that much. Even many layers of built up danish oil can be gouged by a fingernail or a hard scuff. If you want to impart some water resistance, soaking in any oil be in Linseed or mineral oil will impart a degree of water resistance. Natural bog oak can soak up a fair amount which can work to repel water and darken the final color.
 
Welcome Dave,
I have a lot of bog oak. I have learned that it is far better to have use stabilized. But, it can be used unstabilized if you take your time and work to seal and build up the finish.

There are several things in your situation that apply:
1) Linseed oil (its actually flax oil) needs oxygen to cure by polymerization. If stabilized by soaking or under pressure it may take a VERY long time (weeks to months) to cure.
Using boiled linseed oil will make drying faster, but it still would take a long time. using linseed oil with a dryer added will only speed it up a little. It won't work on bog oak well at all ... read on.

2) Bog oak is highly silicized. It does not absorb an oil finish like regular wood will. You would want a surface protectant that fills the pores, becomes a solid, and has strong bonding.

3) You need to fill those pores and striations first. The simplest method I would recommend a quick drying sanding sealer from the paint/hardware/woodworking store. Rub in a coat with lots of pressure, wait until it is tacky, and sand it off with 400 grit paper. Let dry overnight. Repeat at least 10 times. Then apply the finish.

4) Once the pores are sealed, you can use lacquer or another finish to build up a smooth finish. Put on a coat, let it dry and sand with 400 grit paper back to the wood. Repeat many times until you like the look. Finish with 800 grit paper.

5) The best method of doing raw bog oak is a superglue finish. Bruce Bump developed one that has been the Gold Standard of superglue finishes.
Get a bottle of thin CA.
Get a bottle of CA-Debonder (you can use acetone, but Debonder works a bit better).
Get a stack of cut-up 400 grit sandpaper (3"X3" is good) and other paper up to 2000 grit.
Have a pile of cut up line free rags (do not use paper towels).

After the handle is sanded to 400 grit and is shaped as you want, apply a coat of the CA ... WEAR RUBBER GLOVES! (you can use acetone to remove cured CA from the blade or any place it gets you don't want to sand.
Let sit until mostly cured and then put some debonder on a rag and work the surface rubbing the CA into the wood as it dissolves. Work it for a while until it is smooth, wipe off the excess, and let it dry overnight. Sand lightly with 400 grit paper to remove all CA from the surface and repeat the CA sealing/removing again. The third time, instead of a rag use 400 grit paper on the debonder/CA slurry to wet-sand it into the wood. Once the slurry is gummy, wipe the excess off with a rag and let it dry overnight. Sand and fill at least three to ten more times. Once the handle is completely sealed, you can go up the grits to 2000 grit. Buff with a soft polishing cloth for a final shine. The handle will have a show-winning shine that is IN the wood, not ON it.
 
Welcome Dave,
I have a lot of bog oak. I have learned that it is far better to have use stabilized. But, it can be used unstabilized if you take your time and work to seal and build up the finish.

There are several things in your situation that apply:
1) Linseed oil (its actually flax oil) needs oxygen to cure by polymerization. If stabilized by soaking or under pressure it may take a VERY long time (weeks to months) to cure.
Using boiled linseed oil will make drying faster, but it still would take a long time. using linseed oil with a dryer added will only speed it up a little. It won't work on bog oak well at all ... read on.

2) Bog oak is highly silicized. It does not absorb an oil finish like regular wood will. You would want a surface protectant that fills the pores, becomes a solid, and has strong bonding.

3) You need to fill those pores and striations first. The simplest method I would recommend a quick drying sanding sealer from the paint/hardware/woodworking store. Rub in a coat with lots of pressure, wait until it is tacky, and sand it off with 400 grit paper. Let dry overnight. Repeat at least 10 times. Then apply the finish.

4) Once the pores are sealed, you can use lacquer or another finish to build up a smooth finish. Put on a coat, let it dry and sand with 400 grit paper back to the wood. Repeat many times until you like the look. Finish with 800 grit paper.

5) The best method of doing raw bog oak is a superglue finish. Bruce Bump developed one that has been the Gold Standard of superglue finishes.
Get a bottle of thin CA.
Get a bottle of CA-Debonder (you can use acetone, but Debonder works a bit better).
Get a stack of cut-up 400 grit sandpaper (3"X3" is good) and other paper up to 2000 grit.
Have a pile of cut up line free rags (do not use paper towels).

After the handle is sanded to 400 grit and is shaped as you want, apply a coat of the CA ... WEAR RUBBER GLOVES! (you can use acetone to remove cured CA from the blade or any place it gets you don't want to sand.
Let sit until mostly cured and then put some debonder on a rag and work the surface rubbing the CA into the wood as it dissolves. Work it for a while until it is smooth, wipe off the excess, and let it dry overnight. Sand lightly with 400 grit paper to remove all CA from the surface and repeat the CA sealing/removing again. The third time, instead of a rag use 400 grit paper on the debonder/CA slurry to wet-sand it into the wood. Once the slurry is gummy, wipe the excess off with a rag and let it dry overnight. Sand and fill at least three to ten more times. Once the handle is completely sealed, you can go up the grits to 2000 grit. Buff with a soft polishing cloth for a final shine. The handle will have a show-winning shine that is IN the wood, not ON it.
Wow.... good info/write up.
I didn't know bog oak was that involved to work with.
I'm not really a fan of stabilized woods, but for this instance it really sounds best..... Thanks.
B. Oak is on my short list.
 
I rarely see any love for TruOil here.
It penetrates well and sets quite hard. It does leave more a gloss finish than other oils. 4 light coats and it still feels like wood. 10-12 it seems like it’s been dipped in glass.
 
Tru oil has protected and beautified some pretty high end gun stocks for a long time
 
I rarely see any love for TruOil here.
It penetrates well and sets quite hard. It does leave more a gloss finish than other oils. 4 light coats and it still feels like wood. 10-12 it seems like it’s been dipped in glass.
I will give it a try..... I read an interesting review on The River about the difference between drying time, and actual curing time with TruOil.
it sounds like Most people are doing it wrong....?
 
Soaking or coating or whatever with linseed oil is all going to give the same result.

To answer Natlek, no you can not stabilize wood with Linseed oil. Its a slowly curing polymerizing oil, it slowly reacts to turn into a type of soft plastic.

I think the first commenter misunderstood what you were describing, it wont effect the bond if it has already been set.

As for finishing natural bog oak, treat it like any other oak. Bog oak will darken more with oil finishes, but the curing properties of linseed or Danish oil wont achieve all that much. Even many layers of built up danish oil can be gouged by a fingernail or a hard scuff. If you want to impart some water resistance, soaking in any oil be in Linseed or mineral oil will impart a degree of water resistance. Natural bog oak can soak up a fair amount which can work to repel water and darken the final color.
My bad English :) I didn't think to stabilize it , just to use the same method . Oil will penetrated deeper into the wood that way for sure . Maybe after that in oven on some 70 - 80 Celsius to seed up curing ?
 
I like to apply finishes like that in layers, the thinner and more of them the better. Can be very time consuming.
Soaking seems like the easiest option, but in my opinion will not provide the best result
Why ?
I used that in layers way ......Did you ever needed to re-grind already finished handle ? Just light pass on soft disk and fine sandpaper and layer with oil is gone .It is not even half milimeter deep in wood .What half ? It is almost on surface ?
 
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