hard testing

Yeah... I'll try some hard/misaligned cuts at tough wood. Thinking back on it... I don't think HI is the type of blade you go cutting nails and concrete.. generally abusing. It's a quality, old fashioned hand made wood working blade at a good price, with a no nonsense warranty built on trust. Not the same market as high tech steels, INFI or sr101 or whatever, which are shown getting hammered through incredibly abusive material, and a warranty just daring you to try and destroy it. I have a hard time seeing Bill putting out a promotional rambo-style video showing him slamming blades into concrete and taking a car apart with a HI khuk. :)
 
taking a car apart with a HI khuk.

Cliff Stamp did it but I didn't, however, back when I was stronger every now and then I'd destroy a khukuri just to see how much it would take. Because I know that one out of maybe 500 blades is not up to snuff I encourage severe testing especially for those folks whose life may depend on the knife. If the knife is going to fail before it should much better for it to fail in the backyard than during a 1 on 1 with an Al queda operative.
 
Hard testing?

I'm buying the biggest, thickest baddest a$$ khuk I can find, and then the plow blade that's been sitting in the back yard better prepare to be dismembered and de-animated! :D

(just kidding....really! I don't even own a plow blade!)


My next test is gonna be a LOT of sloppy wood chopping, and some MODERATE wrenching and prying. (and done before the mailman can even get out of the neighborhood!) I do go pretty deep in the boondocks sometimes, but I don't think I need to push a blade to it's utmost extremes just cause I do a little boondockin'....do I? :confused: In any case I do intend to dish out alot harder testing than I had with the ill fated Siru.
 
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2+2 is 5!

As for the durability of HI khukuris in terms of destructive testing, ask Cliff Stamp. Ferrous Wheel did quite a bit of abusive testing as well if I recall--he's the one who got me interested in chopping up coins. He's hacked apart all kinds of stuff with his AK.
 
Runs With Scissors said:
I do go pretty deep in the boondocks sometimes, but I don't think I need to push a blade to it's utmost extremes just cause I do a little boondockin'....do I? :confused:
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Yes!!!!
What would happen too you if you knife failed while you were deep in the boondocks?:grumpy:
You would be up shit creek without a paddle! :rolleyes:






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True 'nuff. Actually had it happen before, wasn't much fun at all building a shelter and a fire in a$$ deep snow using the Swiss Army Knife I carried for back up...

That being said...I was just considering the things I do with a khukuri, and I've figured out that if you can cut with it, split with it and ahem.....my most recent lesson...do some moderate prying with it....

To be real candid, I have such a natural ability for destroying everything I touch, that the idea of taking a knife out and deliberately pushing it to it's limits takes a bit of time to sink in. Afterall, H,I's ethics are a little different from all the other manufacturers whos response is "gasp! you had the audacity to PRY with our 1/2 inch thick bladed survival knife? a knife is NOT a prybar!..." Of course there are a few, but....they are expensive knives, and they got no spirit to 'em. (if that makes a lick of sense) But I digress....

Tell ya' what....when I get enough money together to afford a wooden handled Chiruwa AK, I'll take it out in the back yard and give it a good long hard beating in you honor. :D
 
I'm a little confused now, after seeing Uncles and Josh's post. Testing coins and sheet metal (of cars) is something that a properly tempered HI blade would be able to hande? Of course, I wouldn't expect it to come out shaving sharp, dulling, scratches, and maybe repairable edge impactions should occur.
 
Go for it - test it out - let us know how it goes. We love seeing test results....seriously.
 
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Anyone can destroy a tool if they set out to do so. There has never been a tool made that was indestructible - by someone set out to destroy it. In junior high wood shop (cue: 'Those Were the Days' soundtrack) we saw an animated movie about a Neanderthal character who would use a wood chisel to pry open paint cans, screw drivers to stir the paint, and anything that came to hand as a hammer to pound the lid back on. Primitive Pete was the character, and we all laughed at his foibles - since nothing went well for him. Lesson learned.
Sure, in an extreme survival situation, you do what you can with what you have available. But don't expect a scalpel to cut down a tree, or a chain-saw to carve the turkey... Or (ahem...) a delicate martial arts sirupati to do the work of a dedicated heavy-duty chopper like an AK, M-43, BAS, or a GRS.
My 2 cents. :) No personal criticism intended ;) We're still friends...right?
 
Bri in Chi said:
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But don't expect a scalpel to cut down a tree, or a chain-saw to carve the turkey... Or (ahem...) a delicate martial arts sirupati to do the work of a dedicated heavy-duty chopper like an AK, M-43, BAS, or a GRS.
My 2 cents. :) No personal criticism intended ;) We're still friends...right?
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You forgot the /Rant Bri.;)

And you're right, you have to use common sense when putting a khuk through its test.:)
 
Uhmmm....since it seems that I'm the last (perhaps the first?) person here to bend a Sirupati into an "L" shape, I'm guessing that I should respond...

I strongly agree with your overall perception about tools- Really, I have to bite my tongue in the General forum at least a couple times a week when someone is comes along and is so strongly focused on prying ability, they don't seem to care whether it actually cuts things. but...If we all had the proper and perfect tools for the job at all times, there would be no need for the Swiss Army Knife or the Multi-Tool, or perhaps even the khukuri itself, since a chainsaw, or even a full sized double bitted axe tends to be preferred for wood chopping.

Now in specific relation to khuks, and even more specifically the Sirupati incident, Yeah....you'd quite frankly have to be pretty p!ss ignorant and stupid to grab yer Sirupati and take it out routinely prying tractors out of the mud with it. That being said...by H.I standards, the Sirupati may be considered a light, nimble martial arts weapon- But to the rest of the world ie: Strider, Busse, Chris Reeve, Swamp Rat, Becker, etc. a 3/8 inch wide blade is super Commando, Captain Kick A$$ bullet proof device of mucho prying and improvising ability. Even I don't follow that train of thought myself but... In any case, it shouldn't become an "L" shape when MODERATE force is placed upon it in order to pry apart a couple small frozen logs.

I always liked the Sirupati for boondockin' before that incident because it could chop fairly well, fulfill machete duty, and makes a darn decent draw knife. If I had planned to pry the day I re-arranged mine, I Still wouldn't have gone with an M-43, GRS,BAS,or even a Chiruwa AK.




I would have brought my Husky Chainsaw, an axe, and the biggest, baddest wrecking bar I could find.

My next Khuk will be a bit heavier and more bullet proof, but even that one's not gonna get horsed on too excessively prybar wise. If I can't bend it using just my right arm, it's probably good to go.

Still haven't gone to the trouble of not being friends with anyone on the internet yet.....just wayyy too much trouble for a lazy Neanderthal like myself. :D
 
Run with S; what are you talking about? Dan's right- that is too much metal just to bend that easy. Temper is wrong.

I would have expect my sirupati to get me out of your situation without problem.

You need a better Sirupati.

munk
 
munk said:
Run with S; what are you talking about? Dan's right- that is too much metal just to bend that easy. Temper is wrong.

I would have expect my sirupati to get me out of your situation without problem.

You need a better Sirupati.

munk
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I agree with Munk and thought that that is what I've been saying all along. I think I should be able to solidly insert a Sirupati between something and stand on it without it bending much and even then returning to true afterwards.
And I weigh 275 Lbs.!
I haven't ever tested one like that but I have embedded one into a stump and exerted extreme sideways pressure on it.
Damned sure enough to bend it if it was gonna bend.:eek: :D
 
I don't want to just recklessly destroy it. But Bill Martino just said that cutting sheet metal's already been done, and Josh cuts coins regularly? I was going to reserve the HI as a pretty solid, handmade, quality blade for wood work and get a supersteel knife for abusive, all purpose survival stuff. Is a HI able to handle this sort of thing?
 
Eric_425 said:
I don't want to just recklessly destroy it.

Is a HI able to handle this sort of thing?
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As Uncle bill says, "It's already been done." You probably won't destroy it but you can badly damage it by cutting up steel barrels, car bodies, and the like. If you can't stand the scars then you might not want to do it.

As far as handling it; in a word, yes. Now with that said, what do you have in mind? ;)
 
Yvsa said:
As Uncle bill says, "It's already been done." You probably won't destroy it but you can badly damage it by cutting up steel barrels, car bodies, and the like. If you can't stand the scars then you might not want to do it.

As far as handling it; in a word, yes. Now with that said, what do you have in mind? ;)
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Hmm.. in Cliff's review http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/face_off_III.html
The villager actually suffered ZERO damage hacking up the car and the AK only had some brazing of steel from the car into the blade... Maybe I'll convex the profile of the knife a little bit for strength, and take a shot with mild steel. Maybe copper or something softer first, just to be safe.
 
Eric_425 said:
Hmm.. in Cliff's review http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/face_off_III.html
The villager actually suffered ZERO damage hacking up the car and the AK only had some brazing of steel from the car into the blade... Maybe I'll convex the profile of the knife a little bit for strength, and take a shot with mild steel. Maybe copper or something softer first, just to be safe.
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Eric, the villager that Cliff tested was so damned ugly that Uncle Bill was ashamed too put it up for sale. And as far as the ZERO damage in spite of what Cliff said there is going to be scratches and such on the blade.
It just can't be helped when cutting through steel. You also have to remember that Cliff is skilled at doing what he is doing. When other people ask I assume they are inexperienced and so are more apt to mis-hit and damage a bolster or whatnot.

And by all means Convex it, don't Maybe do it because anything except a convex edge is more apt too fail and sometimes fail badly.
I had a full sized GRS chip out about a 5/16" X 1-3/8" piece out of the flat ground blade. Had I of convexed it before chopping with a twisting motion there's no way it would have happened.

You want too be careful when cutting some nails even with a convexed edge because the edge can and often does suffer impact damage at the point of percussion. I had it happen to me when trying to duplicate a cutting problem, succeeded too.:D
 
munk said:
Run with S; what are you talking about? Dan's right- that is too much metal just to bend that easy. Temper is wrong.


munk
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Wow- now I'm feeling really bad for the ill-fated Siru escaping it's original thread. :(

Anyhoo, I'm afraid it's exactly as incredible as it sounds. Attempted prying two frozen 6-8 inch logs apart with the Siru- logs didn't move, Siru blade LITERALLY bent into a "L" shape. This was done using only my right arm. They say a pic is worth a thousand words- hopefully I'll have a couple this week.

Edited to add: Unless you were wondering why I posted about it here...if that's the case I posted in response to "Bri in Chi's" "rant" (most polite rant I think I've seen, BTW)

(this one) "But don't expect a scalpel to cut down a tree, or a chain-saw to carve the turkey... Or (ahem...) a delicate martial arts sirupati to do the work of a dedicated heavy-duty chopper like an AK, M-43, BAS, or a GRS.
My 2 cents. No personal criticism intended We're still friends...right?"


Wasn't too sure which answer you wanted-I'm pretty easily confused. If I still managed to miss the target, ask the question again and use littler words. Did I mention that I'm pretty easily confused? :D
 
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