Have knife sales dropped here?

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It has been several years since I was active on BF. As I come back to snoop around, I've noticed that the sale prices in the sale forum are way down and knives still don't seem to be moving. Knives that are being offered for 165 today would have sold for 265 several years ago.

Is the market flooded?
Fewer buyers?
Is there not as much big name "talent" on BF to bring in buyers?

Maybe I'm wrong in my assessment. What are your thoughts?
Jason
 
I'm so curious to read responses here to this, i've been observing some incredible work going cheap, and vice versa. Other people that are peddling stuff less than subpar are doing so on other platforms though, from what i've noticed.
 
I think it’s supply and demand. There are so many people now making knives and a lot of them are of the mentality that thy do t need to make money it’s just a hobby. But this in the long run hurts everyone.
 
There are a number of things going on.
1.) The economy is bad for a lot of people, there may not be as much disposable income kicking around.
2.) There are alternative avenues, like Instagram and Facebook, and many makers are availing themselves of that.
3.) We are experiencing recurring server issues which may discourage some traffic.
4.) We have limited the ability of non-members to access our sales areas; and the less they sell the fewer $$s they have to buy from our makers.
5.) We have created so many sub-forums that information flow is that much more compartmentalized.

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I have posted knives here for sale, but in the last year almost all of them are sold on Instagram first. People are able to watch the build and gain interest in the knife.

Far more people see the knife on Instagram then they do here.

The market is flooded with 3 piece knives, they just are not that hard to make and it is difficult to set yourself apart from others when so many are making similar knives.
 
I think it’s supply and demand. There are so many people now making knives and a lot of them are of the mentality that thy do t need to make money it’s just a hobby. But this in the long run hurts everyone.
Let me offer the other side to this opinion, this is just a hobby for me...and I don't need the money as I did my time in another profession. Not my mentality, facts. I have given dozens of knives away and I sell a few. No name recognition, I sell them for what their worth. In the long run I hurt no one...thanks
 
In the long run I hurt no one...thanks
Boy, if only we all could say that with full confidence in every aspect of life.....

This has been an interesting (IMO) conversation/debate over the years. While I tend to agree with you in principle, JamesBro, I also understand (and agree to a certain point) the sentiment JT is expressing. Due to the pandemic and other life circumstances, my thought process has shifted on how I feel about this topic. Before, when I was employed full time in the profession I earned my degree in, I didn't need to think about how much return I got on my knives and would have sat firmly on your side of the argument. However, because life circumstances has made my degree worthless for the last 3 years, I see things more from JT's perspective.
 
I still post knives on here, but I haven't seen a lot of traffic from it. Five years ago a post on BF would generate a good bump in my website hits if nothing else. These days it seems like posts get a lot of "likes" but not too much real movement.

I'm reminded of Harvey Dean's story about a ho-hum gun show he went to in Waco, where he did kind of normal, sold a little not a lot. He met a guy there who later placed an order, and ended up buying 20K worth of knives from Harvey over the next 20 years.

How many customers have to come from a BF classified post for it to be "worth it?" Maybe just one.
 
I’m not a knife maker or a seller, but I noticed sales took a sizable hit at the beginning of the pandemic and haven’t yet recovered to previous levels. A lot of potential buyers have been sidelined due to unemployment and other economic stress.

Instagram has created a new marketplace for a lot of products, not only knives. So, yes, sales are going there too.

And JT is right. The market is flooded. Look at what is probably the biggest industry segment, kitchen knives. New entries are marketed every day.
 
The flip-side to this is that we don't see many of the high-end customs appearing in the sales threads here on BF.
They show up in the Custom and Handmade subforum, but are long gone as far as buying them.
I don't use Instagram and might be missing out because of it...
I did grab a bowie by Ben Seward this year and just missed one by John Doyle, but for the most part it seems like one needs to make arrangements with the maker in advance.
 
I understand JT's point. No issues with it. Honestly I also have sold more knives lately with this current situation cause I had made more than usual. But the price I sell for is not affected by how much time I spent or the desire to make money..it's just what it's worth to a buyer. But I will never sell enough to affect anything...hobbyists are good for this deal and how every pro gets his start..
 
This has been an interesting (IMO) conversation/debate over the years. While I tend to agree with you in principle, JamesBro, I also understand (and agree to a certain point) the sentiment JT is expressing.
At the risk of being flamed, I will offer my thoughts (though I do not sell anything....). With any industry or market segment, there is always the risk of someone coming along and selling something cheaper - and it is the buyers who will determine whether the reduction in quality (whatever they view that to be - and it is relative and subject to interpretation) is worth the reduction in price. Just ask the american auto industry (in the 70's) vs. the then new japanese auto makers, or IBM who made big computers and neglected the then-new personal computer industry, or the likes of Control Data Corporation, who made big computer storage disks (like ..... 3 feet across), and ignored the cheap and new smaller (like ... inches across) disks being made by companies like Seagate. In a capitalism based economy this is just the way it is - and none of us are immune to something like this happening. the thing is to adapt, or just do something new.

I once had a conversation with a couple National Geographic photographers, who commented that with the evolution of digital cameras and digital photography, the "old days" of a photographer making a living by traveling and selling their photos were just not doable anymore. Instead, they are now "selling" photography expeditions and photography lessons and tutorials and barely sell any of their own photos. they adapted. I also had the opportunity to meet a person who was quite insistent that her profession was one thing and one thing only, but no one would hire her. No one wanted to buy what she was selling, and she refused to do anything different. I do not think she ever worked again (really sad thing to watch). You could try to "protect" your market by limiting newcomers or eliminating their ability to sell ..... these approaches are called "protectionism", "caste systems", and to an extent "socialism". All of these systems have their disadvantages and downsides ..... as does capitalism. You can lament a "flooded market" - but that is like spitting into the wind.

The only thing I could offer is to comment on the great importance of marketing. Being conscious and persistent in how and where you try to make your wares visible (people have already talked about BF versus Instagram, previously people have spoken about the importance of being visible at trade shows, etc), will likely make a huge difference - as will building a reputation (as many have spoken about before). But these activities have their own cost both in terms of monies and personal work and effort. Anyone who has closely watched someone who is "successful" in a corporation (technical or non-technical, does not matter), or even (and maybe especially) successful university professors, sees that they expend a HUGE amount of their time marketing what they are doing/offering.

Me, personally, I HATE marketing .... one reason I just do not want to even consider moving into selling any knives....
 
I think it’s supply and demand. There are so many people now making knives and a lot of them are of the mentality that thy do t need to make money it’s just a hobby. But this in the long run hurts everyone.

Without those hobbyist you may have never started a heat treating business and all knifemaking suppliers would not be where they are today.

I do not mind there are so many knifemakers, what does irk me a bit is seeing many "knifemakers" making the same quality of knife, not improving their skills much over time.
 
Yeah, I haven't had consistent-enough inventory to gauge based on my own sales. Certainly I've had a hard time moving non-commissioned work lately, but I'm firmly in the middle of that sub-collector market. Non-collector-grade custom knives are inexpensive luxury goods. I think a large segment of the customer base in this more approachable portion of the market has been impacted heavily by the pandemic. Buyers who could already afford to drop $1k+ on a knife are *probably* in a pretty good financial situation that's more buffered from the shutdown impact. That's my guess.

Also, maybe nobody wants my knives these days. ;)

It's interesting, I can observe 500+ views on a single blade over the course of a few weeks - same on a sales thread. But no bites. No idea how many Instagram views I get on a given post, but certainly many more direct reactions, but they're usually viewers who have actively decided to follow my stuff. Since the outdoorsy stuff isn't moving that fast, I'm planning to swing back to kitchen stuff soon and see how that goes.

Similar issues IRL.
I've had several pieces consigned at a local outing store, stuff sitting in the case. Both times I've brought a batch down, one of the proprietors has bought one on the spot (two brothers). They get tire-kickers for the stuff in the case, but walk-in sales are slow. Of course retail has been slow for everything this year anyway. *shrug*
 
Similar issues IRL.
I've had several pieces consigned at a local outing store, stuff sitting in the case. Both times I've brought a batch down, one of the proprietors has bought one on the spot (two brothers). They get tire-kickers for the stuff in the case, but walk-in sales are slow. Of course retail has been slow for everything this year anyway. *shrug*

Given the rona and the riots, I think any sporting goods money is being spent on ar's magazines and ammo stockpiles now.
 
Don't get me wrong I’m not saying new makers are a problem. I welcome everyone that wants to play the game. This is how things evolve and we see better knives. What I was saying is people should sell their knives for what thy are honestly worth. You have some really talented makers that are asking pennies on the dollar for their work because it’s just a hobby to them. It would be better if these knives where just given away as gifts and never had a price value attached. So your a hobbyist a d you sell a few guy custom knives for $100 each. Thy get a taste for wanting more and look at other makers and see $400-$500 price tags and instantly feel gouged or ripped off by these honest blades smiths. Yes I agree with competition being a good thing. But when things go to the extreme you see things exported to China or markets destroyed. If we know one thing, people will step over dollars to pick up dimes. We as the human race will do all we can to save a buck oven if to cost us $10 to do it.

I really respect the absolute control of the market in the diamond industry. If it was just a free for all then prices would be in the toilet and no incentive to produce the amazing jewelry we see (to a point). To relate this to knives is not a direct comparison but you get the idea. Seams like people are really willing to under value their work which the next guy will then beat and so on and so forth.
 
Yes, in general...

There is quite a lot to all of this, here's my opinion on the Bladeforums aspect.


- Photos need to be easier to post here, I find myself not contributing as much as I'd like because of this. I posted recent work here and it took 2 hours to resize and upload pics, something I don't do anywhere else.

- Custom and Handmade where the nice knives get posted is too much of an old boys club. (I like those guys too!) It took me a long time to figure this out, why some makers work is really posted there and others not at all. A lot of these guys are marketing knives for others, nothing wrong with that but we all need to participate more there, me included.

- Big name makers are lacking here

- race to the bottom... lots of competition on the low end especially. The makers that are greatly under pricing their work are not part of the community.


And all over the net...

- everyone everywhere wants less discussion and more pics (not me)

- lots of major makers are turning to Chinese manufacturing. I think this both reflects the buyer demand and also shapes the current/future market.


I REALLY like this place and want to see certain aspects get busier... like custom knives!

This place is really busy but an odd dynamic with buyers. Over the last two week I have sold 42 knives... 10 to a dealer, about 3 on Instagram, about 28 on Facebook and ONE here to a long time customer. People are selling knives here though and loads of them, keeping at it with a presence is key I know that.







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So a hobbyist should spend money on all the materials, heat treat, belts, sand paper, hardware and time only to give it away for FREE so they do not hurt the sales of others who sell for much more?

Flooding the market place with Free knives would hurt the situation less then selling them for 100 bucks?

$100 hobbyist knives are rarely worth more then the selling price.

The actually situation currently is there are more talented custom knifemakers selling knives then at any other time in history. These fine craftsman are flooding the market and that has an effect on sales price for everyone.
 
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