Have smart phones made GPS units obsolete?

Yes, several days. I went on two, one week long canoe trips last year and used my phone the entire time. That's being said I do have small solar panels I carry to charge my phone when needed.

Yep - carrying a way to charge the phone on a multi-day trip makes sense. I was just curious how people are using one on multi-day trips if they don't have a charging source. In my experience, I can get maybe a couple days out of my phone, if I have it in 'airplane mode' most of the time, and just turn it on sparingly to pinpoint location. But using it continuously to navigate, the way one might with a handheld dedicated GPS? I haven't had any luck with that to date. Then again, a map and compass never run out of batteries...
 
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There are places my phone doesn't navigate well due to a bad signal where a gps picks up a signal just fine. These places are where I hunt so I usually have my handheld gps anyway.
Agree with Birdhunter , same here especially in the mountains, that why i use my Garmin GPSMAP 62S
 
A dedicated tool is always better than a general purpose tool that also can be used....

With a GPS you can make navigation points
So you can make where you have parked you car a know point, so you can always find your way back

I agree. It's almost like the people who buy a cell phone for it's camera. Yes, it's good in a pinch, but I haven't seen one yet that is better than a stand alone camera. I also agree that a stand alone gps unit is much better than a cell phone "gps". I have an older model Garmin GPSmap that I used to use for work, and play. I could get a signal with that thing inside the house, under heavy foliage, and even in a cave, I suppose. I doubt any of these smart phones actually do that. Plus, aren't a majority of the phones just triangulating your position using cell towers? If there are no cell towers, then you will not have your position.
 
For me, It depends on the location and nature of the trip.

I don't use a lot of tricks to conserve my phone battery, but it will pinpoint my location using various mapping applications regardless of the terrain and vegetation, even in one specific area with poor cellular service. The battery life is a significant issue that I can possibly overcome by carrying external batter packs and/or solar chargers.

I have experienced poor satellite reception using a GPS. I attribute that to dense vegetation and/or poor weather conditions. The battery life has been an issue that I can overcome by carrying more batteries or rechargeable batteries and a solar charger.

Always have a plan to find your way and always carry a compass.

Nighttime navigation can be difficult even with a map.
 
Does anyone know if the external gps receivers are worth using with a smartphone? Or are these meant to be used with phones without gps capability? Do most gps phones get a good gps signal already?
 
You have to keep in mind that GPS and cellular are two different systems. some smartphones can use tower triangulation to help localize the signal, but that is not available to all phones at all times. Also it really depends on the phone as to how efficient the GPS unit is and how much it relies on cheats like tower triangulation. Or mapping cheats, like sticking you to the nearest road, or going by dead reckoning when it looses signal, and correcting when it gets back.

Kuuto, they probably are a case by case basis, they would work well with some phones, not others, or might just be acting like antennas for use inside truck cabs and the like. As far as I know there aren't any phones that don't have a GPS that have enough power to run a map system. I think they were more of a transitional product (like GPS units for laptops) that don't really have a wide market anymore. Most phones get good enough GPS performance, but there are so many phones on the market that its impossible to make a blanket statement. I have a galaxy nexus, and its decent. but somedays it just doesn't know what its doing.

Given that most people don't use maps or GPS on the smartphone outside of an urban center, I would never trust a smartphone as a wilderness GPS unless I had fully tested it, and was sure that it was doing what it was supposed to be doing (and that includes after every update) Because the usual consequences of a GPS failure in a city are not that bad, there is more chance for a system to go wrong (for a week my phone's GPS decided that I was always 500 yards west of my actual location, not at all helpful) The design imperative just isn't there.
 
Phone GPS has navigation points too. I use MotionX-GPS on an iPhone and it is great. If you go out of cell range, it will still show your path - just without a map behind it (which is still useful to get back to point A).

Bad points for phone: More delicate than most dedicated GPS units, poor battery life compared to most, and only semi-functional when out of cell range.

If I were headed into the wilderness - I want a dedicated handheld quality GPS unit with awesome reception.

So, to answer your question - Yes, and No.

ERic


MotionX-GPS

thanks for the heads up
I am checking it out
 
It all depends on your area. I live in a urban area and my phone's GPS cuts out all the time. If it doesn't work there, how could I depend on it when the nearest house might be miles away?
 
My Smart phone has a GPS that works even when the phone is set to airplane mode. Having all other antennas except the GPS saves battery life. The Map/GPS program that I use can download free maps and cache them for when you don't have cell service. It essentially becomes a stand alone GPS. Even so, I carry local Topo maps and a Compass and I know how to use them.

The GPS on my phone has been used on a 4 day backpacking trip. We used it to figure out how many miles we traveled each day, how long it took average speed, rest times, elevation changes (Max, Min, etc.) and so on. My program also lets me setup way points, mark places of interest and do other things. Was worth the $10 that I paid for it.

A spare battery or some kind of charger is a must on long trips even with some Dedicated GPS units. . .

Have modern Smart phones made GPS's obsolete, I don't think so. For some people it has, for others, it hasn't.
 
And some people believe that the GPS function on theior phone means they are being tracked by the CIA, NSA, employer, wife, father, etc, etc.

Larry
Tinkerer
 
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