Have you ever accidentally overextended a lockbar?

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Simple question. Some say it's easy to do:

Its relativly easy to overextend it if you aren't paying attention.

Source: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...estion-about-the-Cryo?p=11509084#post11509084

Others say it almost never happens:

It's been reported twice since I've been a member here (joined in 1999). Both times were due to the members' intentional overextension to try and reduce lock tension.

Source: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...benza-lockbar-bending?p=10150091#post10150091

So has it ever happened to you? :confused:
 
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No never. I'm skeptical that it could be overextended accidentally to point where it's hyperextended, so to speak.
 
Happened to my uncle years back, he was wearing gloves chopping a cable against a concrete block... (apparently he was too lazy to get wire cutters, perfectly understandable though he was up on his roof).

When he finished lo and behold the lockbar was jammed in, and he pried it out bending the lockbar completely as a result.
I don't know what brand knife it it just said China, Stainless. It was probably $7 cheapie he got from walmart.
 
In response to this post I started messing with my 5 year old Kershaw Vapor, probably the cheapest and flimsiest framelock around. The only way I can see someone unintentionally over-extending the lockbar is if it got caught on something.
 
Happened to my uncle years back, he was wearing gloves chopping a cable against a concrete block... (apparently he was too lazy to get wire cutters, perfectly understandable though he was up on his roof).

When he finished lo and behold the lockbar was jammed in, and he pried it out bending the lockbar completely as a result.
I don't know what brand knife it it just said China, Stainless. It was probably $7 cheapie he got from walmart.
Poor knife. :(

Actually, I'm more concerned about accidentlally bending the lockbar when releasing it using ordinary thumb or finger pressure. But thanks for the story about your uncle. :)
 
No, don't think so.

I'm not much of a frame lock fan, though. I have to admit to preferring liner locks to frame locks overall. Does that mean I have issues?
 
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Well the whole point of the LBS is for the ***t happens situations in our lives where tools have to endure abuse.

Im sure there is some cheap knife that was made with pot metal that has bent but I doubt any well made knife has ever suffered that kind of damage from normal use.
 
No, don't think so.

I'm not much of a frame lock fan, though. I have to admit to preferring liner locks to frame locks overall. Does that mean I have issues?

No you don't have issues, I'm with you.................but, maybe I have issues also..hmmmmmmmm. ;)
 
I would think if it was so easy to do it wouldn't be such a popular design.

I have carried my sebenza and have used it every day for 5 months and have not over extended the lockbar.
 
Never happened to me, but I am careful. The idea behind a lbs makes sense but I don't think it is needed
 
I'm not so sure about that, Ernie. Why incorporate a feature into a design that's not needed or needed so infrequently that it doesn't justify the cost? I don't want to pull the discussion off track with that question just yet, however. I'd rather keep digging into whether anyone has ever bent a lockbar using ordinary finger or thumb pressure. So far, I haven't heard anyone say they have.
 
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I think the second post is more the reason.

Like Chris Reeve said (too lazy to search from my phone), the point of the LBS is to keep people from pushing out the lock bar to reduce tension, not to prevent over extension from regular use.

When I unlock a frame lock, I put a slight amount of pressure on the blade so as soon as the lock is clear the blade moves and I release tension on the lock bar....

... I've never over extended a lock.
 
Nope, and don't see how you could unless you were trying, or had a cheaply made knife.
 
Found something.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...mzaan?highlight=Lock+bar+stabilizer+umnumzaan

"Those who have followed the nearly 25 years that the Sebenza has been around know we continually make small improvements, alterations, advances to our knives. None of these changes are made to follow a trend, to keep up with the Jones or to tick off our customers. They are done to improve performance, safety or production. That we make a change to the Umnumzaan should not come as a surprise.

The disc has been added to the Umnumzaan to prevent the reduction of tension on the lock. Because the shape of the Umnumzaan handle is a little different than that of the Sebenza, it takes a different technique to open and close. We have found some customers are not willing to learn the difference or perhaps they don’t recognize the difference but, whatever the reason, they think it is necessary to modify the lock tension, thinking the knife will open more easily. This simply makes the knife unsafe. We have had several Umnumzaans returned to us because of lock issues – almost always the customer denies having modified the lock. We can see what has been done, and are put between a rock and a hard place as we don’t want to call out the customer for not telling the truth. The disc is a solution to prevent potentially unsafe modifications.

Please note this disc is not a lock stabilizer as it has been called in some posts. It is simply in place to prevent the lock bar from being pushed out to reduce tension. Our locks are fitted properly to very close tolerances and do not need to be stabilized. And to save further speculation, the disc is press fit into the handle. It is made of 303 stainless steel, and is sandblasted along with the rest of the handle. Because it is not titanium, the sandblasted finish looks different.

Will it change further? Quite possibly. What might these changes be? No idea at this time.

It will be a while before you see Umnumzaans other than the Wilson Startac with this disc. This has to do with our on-hand inventory of machined handles.

We are not planning to add the lock override protection disc to the Sebenza. We do not have the issue of lock modification by customers to the same degree as we do with the Umnumzaan.

Before the question is asked here is a quick reminder of the difference in how to open an Umnumzaan and a Sebenza.
Umnumzaan: slide your thumb straight forward, parallel with the handle, pushing the lug with the top center of your thumb.
Sebenza: push the lug out sideways in a sweeping motion with the side of your thumb.

Since there has been renewed discussion about Idaho Made in this thread, you might find it interesting to note that since March this year, the value of our back orders has almost quadrupled. This would indicate there are not too many concerns about the Idaho Made marking.

We appreciate your loyalty and enthusiastic conversation. We know we can't please all of the people all of the time!

Anne"
 
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I think the second post is more the reason.

Like Chris Reeve said (too lazy to search from my phone), the point of the LBS is to keep people from pushing out the lock bar to reduce tension, not to prevent over extension from regular use.

When I unlock a frame lock, I put a slight amount of pressure on the blade so as soon as the lock is clear the blade moves and I release tension on the lock bar....

... I've never over extended a lock.

Hinderer's thoughts on his design:
http://www.rickhindererknives.com/rick-hinderer-knives/xm-folding-knives/lock-bar-stabilizer/
 
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