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I weighed it around 20lbs, which is not that heavy.
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I weighed it around 20lbs, which is not that heavy.
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First and foremost is having a plan whether it’s a temporary departure from your residence (think fire, chemical or flood threat) and then there is the inability to safely secure and stay in your domicile…this is the truly the worst case scenario and should well thought out. Your residence is your castle and you can store much more than on your back. Once you depart your residence, understand that your potential as a refugee sky-rockets.
It sounds like a decent plan; friends and then family. If you could cache some extra items in a few plastic tubs, that would be ideal and less stress on your friends (thinking ammo, water, clothes, food).
Food is quite short and although not an immediate necessity, you’ll burn a lot of calories walking with a pack under stressful conditions. Instant soups, instant oatmeal, peanut butter, energy bars, trail-mix, nuts, etc. are all easy to store. Datrex is one of my preferred emergency rations and another good consideration. You have to balance both “ready to eat” and what needs to be rehydrated with hot water.
As you map out your primary and alternate routes, make sure you identify any potential water sources. It is much easier to refill along the way than to carry too much…water weighs the most of all your necessities. A good county map is essential to identify alternate routes, danger areas (small towns, intersections, highways, bridges/river crossings) and if you have that small radio, it could be used to identify trouble areas. Not a necessity, but a decent pair of compact binoculars is also a good item as it allows you to scout from a distance.
Space blankets by themselves suck; consider at least a poncho liner or other type of compact insulation. Without it, you’ll be stuck walking to keep warm and burning calories; and if it’s raining and cold, hypothermia will be a serious threat. I always recommend people try out their shelter system in their backyard…it would be an eye opener as to what really works and what doesn’t.
Lastly, consider a small duffle bag, attached to your pack via a carabineer. This is your grab-and-go, seasonal clothing bag that would have a full change of clothes and footwear appropriate for the season. If you’re already dressed appropriately, you can easily ditch it; however, if you’re jumping out of the shower, you’ll have that first layer of protection against the elements.
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It sounds like a decent plan; friends and then family. If you could cache some extra items in a few plastic tubs, that would be ideal and less stress on your friends (thinking ammo, water, clothes, food).
Food is quite short and although not an immediate necessity, you’ll burn a lot of calories walking with a pack under stressful conditions. Instant soups, instant oatmeal, peanut butter, energy bars, trail-mix, nuts, etc. are all easy to store. Datrex is one of my preferred emergency rations and another good consideration. You have to balance both “ready to eat” and what needs to be rehydrated with hot water.
As you map out your primary and alternate routes, make sure you identify any potential water sources. It is much easier to refill along the way than to carry too much…water weighs the most of all your necessities. A good county map is essential to identify alternate routes, danger areas (small towns, intersections, highways, bridges/river crossings) and if you have that small radio, it could be used to identify trouble areas. Not a necessity, but a decent pair of compact binoculars is also a good item as it allows you to scout from a distance.
Space blankets by themselves suck; consider at least a poncho liner or other type of compact insulation. Without it, you’ll be stuck walking to keep warm and burning calories; and if it’s raining and cold, hypothermia will be a serious threat. I always recommend people try out their shelter system in their backyard…it would be an eye opener as to what really works and what doesn’t.
Lastly, consider a small duffle bag, attached to your pack via a carabineer. This is your grab-and-go, seasonal clothing bag that would have a full change of clothes and footwear appropriate for the season. If you’re already dressed appropriately, you can easily ditch it; however, if you’re jumping out of the shower, you’ll have that first layer of protection against the elements.
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Noting that it is a sling bag, some extra padding since it will bear down on one side. Also, do you have training with the sword? I'm assuming you do or wouldn't have bought it, just curious. It juts out on the far right in your pics, so quick draws are not possible. And will you be taking any more cutting tools? Maybe I missed them in your list. Not just the axe or multitool. Thanks for sharing!
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Just purchased a couple of small things at a Gander Mountain...1. signal mirror, 2. filtration straws (2-both good to 20 gallons each-will use along with purification tabs) 3.spork/knife (2)
Looked into GSI glacier stainless dualist boiler set (about 50 bucks).
As to the ability to quick draw the blade, not so much from the bag, but I have attached to the sheath, a sling which allows easy carry and quick draw. If things were to a point where making a camp was necessary, I would do so and take the blade from the bag to carry on my back with the bag at camp.
As to the sword skills, I have no official training, as I see it as a tool probably more so than a melee weapon...although I have trained with knives through a martial arts school I trained with for many years, so the transition would be fairly smooth, being that this blade is only about 22 inches long (more of a short sword-may not be exact specs of Rucki). I practice handling/swinging the blade nightly (more for the sheer pleasure of handling a fine blade than training, but one in the same)
Pics of Rucki Sling Carry System on Azwelke Sheath:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76424949@N05/sets/72157629157383332/
Looked into GSI glacier stainless dualist boiler set (about 50 bucks).
As to the ability to quick draw the blade, not so much from the bag, but I have attached to the sheath, a sling which allows easy carry and quick draw. If things were to a point where making a camp was necessary, I would do so and take the blade from the bag to carry on my back with the bag at camp.
As to the sword skills, I have no official training, as I see it as a tool probably more so than a melee weapon...although I have trained with knives through a martial arts school I trained with for many years, so the transition would be fairly smooth, being that this blade is only about 22 inches long (more of a short sword-may not be exact specs of Rucki). I practice handling/swinging the blade nightly (more for the sheer pleasure of handling a fine blade than training, but one in the same)
Pics of Rucki Sling Carry System on Azwelke Sheath:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76424949@N05/sets/72157629157383332/
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you can start a fire in bright sunlight with a +2.0 magnifying lens/rx prescription, as long as your astigmatism doesn't drop the +rx to low. If your a +2.00 -3.75 x180, you'll get a converging light at 180 degree's but at 90 degree's you'll get diverging (a total power of -1.75). I carry a little frenel lens magnifying sheet in my wallet that I got from walden books years ago, it's +2.00, and even dirty and cracked from years of wallet wear it will still start a fire on a dark and dry leaf.
The reason lord of the flies was innacurate was because the author described piggy's vision as "myopic". It sounds better when you read it, but myopic = minus rx, hyperopic = plus rx. Plenty of people are hyperopic at at +2.0 or higher. In the past 3 days I've made at least 5 pairs of glasses with an rx higher than +3.0.
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Thank you for clearing that up. I should know better than to believe everything I read, especially when it's "debunking" something else....
Now that you have me thinking in the right direction, it surely makes sense that a 2 diopter lens could start a fire. As long as you hold it half a meter from your tinder, why not?
Now that you have me thinking in the right direction, it surely makes sense that a 2 diopter lens could start a fire. As long as you hold it half a meter from your tinder, why not?
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Rock6, Rockywolf and others thanks for all of the good info, many minds equals much knowledge. I have considered the ready to eat and dehydrated meals, as well as some energy chews and protein bars (I am partial to protein bars myself...my wife not so much). Yeah, the space blankets are cheap and probably fall apart quickly, but I have seen some interesting uses for these on some of the survival programs. I have seen some interesting SOL thermal bivvy sacks at the local sporting goods store which I may check out. As to another form of wood cutting, I have considered a pocket saw or folding saw, but I am not sure I need another cutting source with the ones I have already. As to carrying extra clothing, my wife and I now have the option of her second BOB (same model) which would be good for lighter things such as articles of clothing and dehydrated or ready to eat food. I have already started partitioning some of the things that I doubled up on between the two bags, and will keep all the heavy things in my bag and the lighter to my wife's (but I will make sure to have the essentials in each bag (fire starting, water purification, etc) just in case we were to be split up. I think I will look for a good monocular (possibly binocular), if I can't find the ones I have had in years past.
If it will serve your particular purposes, I would suggest only "high speed" civillian backpacking stuff, over surplus. Tends to be lighter and highly functional, if you have the dough for it.
Jetboil's PCS is a highly efficient P.I.A. stove, designed for peeps who mainly want hot water for coffee and freeze dried. If you're shooting a lot of small game or some biggame and need to cook it, this stove is not nearly so appealing. I found simmering white rice in one was more of a stunt, than realistic.
I'd go with ample freezedried, a butane/isobutane type of canister stove(Snow Peak gigapower, or MSR PocketRocket types), and a 1.5L Ti cookpot, with lexan spoons all around + a windscreen. The latest and greatest civillian packs are definately engineering marvels at transporting heavy loads easily. Well worth the money.
I suppose you're in shape to walk 10mi/day, every day?! This for in case your mechanized transport becomes a No Go for some reason.
Good luck with all this. Look around at places like REI.com for ideas.
Jetboil's PCS is a highly efficient P.I.A. stove, designed for peeps who mainly want hot water for coffee and freeze dried. If you're shooting a lot of small game or some biggame and need to cook it, this stove is not nearly so appealing. I found simmering white rice in one was more of a stunt, than realistic.
I'd go with ample freezedried, a butane/isobutane type of canister stove(Snow Peak gigapower, or MSR PocketRocket types), and a 1.5L Ti cookpot, with lexan spoons all around + a windscreen. The latest and greatest civillian packs are definately engineering marvels at transporting heavy loads easily. Well worth the money.
I suppose you're in shape to walk 10mi/day, every day?! This for in case your mechanized transport becomes a No Go for some reason.
Good luck with all this. Look around at places like REI.com for ideas.
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Yeah, I have looked at a couple of the Jetboil setups and like them (lightweight), but I think a stainless setup would be better. The one I am looking at through GSI is stainless which would allow the setup to be used with canned fire or the real thing, which would be ideal. I personally walk quite a bit in the profession I hold, but everyone's physical fitness can be improved upon (I powerlift). I will have to check out that website. Thanks for the suggestions, I appreciate your knowledge.