Head spinners ?

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I've researched this and found T Bar K head spinners...
I believe the new ones are cobalt.

Any more sources are makers of this?
I've read some suppliers spinners wear out pretty quick.
I could be wrong.
I plan on spinning stainless.

Thanks for any info
 
HHS or cobalt - anything less than carbide will dull fast if not lubricated well.
 
Unless you are restoring a knife that originally had spun pins, there is not much use for spinners.
I prefer cup punches.
That said, T bar K makes good products.
 
Can you explain the difference please ?

Spinning pins, rather than peening them is a production method used on factory knives.
Cup punches are concave-tipped punches that will shape a rivet head into a nice dome. I use these to replicate spun heads.
 
Spinning pins, rather than peening them is a production method used on factory knives.
Cup punches are concave-tipped punches that will shape a rivet head into a nice dome. I use these to replicate spun heads.

Ok I googled it without much success except for gun related.

I'm taking it , it's used more as a punch than a spinner.
Any pics of one that has been punched??

Also I'm taking it that the head is holding the scale, and that the pin is not flared like a flush pin??
So no need to taper the top half of the scale hole??
 
A spinner forms a small washer below the domed, spun head.....holding the scale and knife together.
 
Not sure what u are doing in terms of spinning....? And frankly don't even know what that means. But here is a frame handle I was learning on to round the pins in stag

Here is the cup bur I used

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Does this help you?


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Yes great pics..
A finished pic of the head would be nice.
Where can I get one of those ??
So you start it with regular head peening with hammer until scale is just tight ?
Than finish it with the tool to remove hammer marks?
 
cup bur from Rio Grande Jewelers, they come in sets and different sizes. other places too
I'm also about to buy one or a few, I was hoping Darrin could advise.
That knife shown isn't completely finished.
But in general yes - "with regular head peening with hammer until scale is just tight ?
Than finish it with the tool to remove hammer marks?"

Of course it would be good to practice on some dummy pins.
I don't have alot of experience with this, it's something I just learned last week.

Harbeer
 
Ok I googled it without much success except for gun related.

I'm taking it , it's used more as a punch than a spinner.
Any pics of one that has been punched??

Also I'm taking it that the head is holding the scale, and that the pin is not flared like a flush pin??
So no need to taper the top half of the scale hole??

Yes- punch. Peen the pin, then use the cup punch to shape the head.
The head holds the parts together. The hole needs to be slightly tapered at the top.
Sorry, no pictures.
Most pins with raised heads were simply buffed smooth. I only use the cup punches in spots that I can't symmetrically polish, or to replicate factory "spun" pins.
 
Most pins with raised heads were simply buffed smooth.

oh yes, this too, forgot to mention it.
I tape the stag (in my pic) let the pin protrude thru the tape and then use the buffer to round.

Trying to achieve this look

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Spinners are one tool for the tool box, they work great with some materials, crap with others.

I've had good luck making spinners using a ball end mill in the chuck on the tailstock of my lathe and cutting the end of round bar. With spinning, they honestly don't even have to be hardened for softer pin materials, the tricky part is just polishing the inside of the spinner, as any imperfections will show on the pin, although if you're buffing them afterwards it's no problemo.

The nice thing about spinners is that you can get down into the texture of stag if your spinner is made properly, and if the pin is tight fitting, you can usually spin the head without any elaborate support on the back side that requires 4 arms to hold the work on top of. It's still a technique you have to be careful with, I often see really crap looking spun pins on stag handle folders, with burned out, splintered edges (because people are using the wrong pin material), and a big ring cut around half of the pin from the spinner cutting into the handle material. This is a pet peve of mine personally, and I think it looks like total ass.

Cup punches are another useful tool, as are cup burrs.

I use all of them depending on the situation, and the materials. With the cup burrs, you still need to peen the pin heads to swell and create a rivet head that holds the material together. You can then go back with the appropriate sized burr and cut them to near perfect symmetry.

Cup punches I'll use to get down into deep texture of stag when I need to swell more than I can reasonably spin, with materials like 410 and titanium, which don't spin very easily, this is often the only option IMO. The tricky thing is holding the opposite side of the pin in a lower cup and keeping it there while you're smacking the top punch without it bouncing out and leaving tracks in the pin. Usually this is in a situation where it's not possible to get down into this area well with a buffer, although with care you can do some work on them with a cratex point.


First thing to learn Manny is how to dome and polish them by hand, i.e. peening them domed and buffing them clean. I highly recommend making a pin heading jig/vise, do one side first in the vise, then peen the other side on the knife. It also helps to have a flat "anvil" for the opposite side with a small domed depression that you can seat the head on the other side in.

This is one of those techniques that sounds real complicated until you learn how to do it, and it can certainly be made to be complicated, but after you've peened a few dozen you'll realize it's super easy, except when working with advanced materials. I'd bet money I can set and clean a pin faster than most could install a corby and grind it flush though.
 
Thanks all
And Javand great explanation.

I'd like to shorten my learning curve on this so,
I've contacted John L here in St.Louis Mo to see if he would let me pick his brain.
So I can actually watch up close his technique for this.

Again thanks all!
 
here's a little hack I just learned that I can share.
take two plates and make a pin vise clamp
you can form the head of the presentation side first using this tool.

clamp in your vise and use it to peen and then buff (cut with black)

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I tried to make plates like above, but couldn't with my cheap drill press.
I do it like this, a hole in flat steel en clamped between leather
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I tried to make plates like above, but couldn't with my cheap drill press.
I do it like this, a hole in flat steel en clamped between leather
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you would have difficulty drilling a straight hole into these plates with any drill press.
I used the corner of my platen on the grinder to essentially make a rounded v notch
 
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