Headin' to Las Vegas for a couple of days.

P.S. for another account of how the west was stolen, check out the histories of Santa Anna. Not to offend any Texans, but the Alamo was not what the popular myth would have it be.
Don't know exactly what myth you're alluding to, but General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was a complete disaster for the people of Mexico, whom he betrayed and stole from for decades. Do you seriously have any doubt that he killed every defender of the Alamo before Sam Houston kicked his ass at San Jacinto, where he ran away like the miserable coward he was, trying to hide in a private's uniform? What histories of Santa Anna do you want us to "check out"?
 
"What we do in life echos in Eternity"

Santa Anna will always be remembered as a ruthless coward. :barf:

IMHO, and I'm not from Texas!
 
I saw a new book highlighted on the Alamo while watching C span. There was a panel of Alamo experts discussing the book and the real Alamo and Santa Ana.

One segment was of the 'new' school, believing unwaveringly in the Diaries of the Santa Ana Officer found much later, that indicated some (one)of the Alamo members were cowards.

I'm no expert on the Alamo, but there were enough doubts about the Officer's account. The general concensus was that it was interesting and informative, BUT NOT TO BE TAKEN VER BATUM (sic) as the truth.

I have a couple observations as well:
Anyone who would voluntarily stay to the certain death defending the Alamo was no coward. They could have left at one point.

2) after sleep deprivation for many days and exhaustion, if a man broke and begged the Spanish afterwards I still do not count him a coward, even if that happened. In spanish culture being a 'coward' is the big deal, and calling your enemy one is as natural as drinking tequila. iN my experience, those most concerned with cowards more often are. The Spanish had a need to believe these hero's were cowards to justify themselves and the great loss of life.
3) finally, the lives of these men had other hisorical record behind them to verify their bravery on numerous occasion. That is fact. As I said, one moment of breaking, perhaps after torture, does not negate the whole life to me.

ONe more thing: why do so many rush to conclude the worst about Western Civilization and America?
munk
 
Because, munk, there is a systematic effort to dubunk and trash the nation which offers more freedom than any in the planet's history. The method is by undermining societal mores through the schools, the goal is to create a sort of neo-feudalism. If you blinked at that last, brush up on the NEA's history and stated purposes.

Stephen
 
No, I didn't blink, I lobbed a softball hoping someone would hit it out of the park. That's right. "Exposing" the US and western culture is subconscious doctrine for many in education and media. It has become a firestorm of knee jerk idiocy around the world.

If you're like me, I accept taking lumps for an often corrupt Government and bad US policies, but I do mind the analysis in a vacumn of other nation's actions, historic context, and double standard morality.


munk
 
Yah, welcome back, only I don't quite know what you mean about threads wandering. What could be more appropriate than returning on Memorial Day and finding fresh defenders of the Alamo awaiting you here in HI?

munk
 
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