Heads up on Customs

Guys,

I thought I was the only one who saw it. I was like no way. It even says "Wave" in the description. Wow, I can't believe KnifeArt is selling it.

Liong
 
We should all e mail Larry and tell him we won't do business with him if he continues to carry this knife. Just my 2 cents. BL
 
Man, I thought I was helping out people and here I post for a site that is high priced and has a guy doing something illegal and immoral.

Sorry guys,
Reed
 
Gentlemen,

I was not aware of the sensitivity or background involved with this issue. I have decided to pull this item from my page.

I express my regrets for listing this item on KnifeArt.com

Sincerely,

Larry Connelley
 
To all concerned.
I understand that some people have taken offence at me makeing a wave on one of my tactical folders.
In all fairness, I would appreciate it, if you did not make asumptions, until all facts are known.
This knife, was not intended to be advertised, especially not with a wave feature.This was a serious mistake.
It has know been rectified.
No disrespect was intended.
This knife was made before I had communicaton with the Emerson company.
I have not and will not sell any knives with wave features.
I do not, and will not, rip off other peoples ideas.
I have the utmost respect for Mr Emerson, as well as all American people.
I actually have 8 family members that are US citizens, and some of my best friends live in the US.
You can thus see why, I do not appreciate some of the comments made on this fourum.
Lets keep the blade forums clean, and factual, for everyones benefit.
To all who were offended, I sincerely appologise.
Andre de Villiers
South Africa

Anyone, who would like to make any further comments may e-mail me directly - andre@knifemaker.co.za
 
Mr. DeVilliers,

I'm not an employee of Emerson Knives, nor are 99% of the people that post and lurk on this forum. We are however members of the knife buying public and we have great respect for the innovation and hard work of others. As you might have seen, we do take offense at the right of others being walked on for profit.

I understand that some people have taken offence at me makeing a wave on one of my tactical folders. In all fairness, I would appreciate it, if you did not make asumptions, until all facts are known.

May assume then that your going to provide those details?

I'm sure the folks here appreciate hearing directly from you, as I do.

This knife, was not intended to be advertised, especially not with a wave feature.This was a serious mistake.

It has know been rectified.

The advertising of the knife seems to have been "rectified", not the making and selling of it.

No disrespect was intended.
This knife was made before I had communicaton with the Emerson company.

You made the knife and then asked permission to make it? Had you also sold it to a customer prior to your request for permission being deigned or is this a piece that Knifeart recently received directly from you?

If there was a situation where you had made a knife at a customers request, then you either found out that there was a patent (or your conscience got the better of you) and you asked permission to make the knife you had already made and sold, wouldn't you feel obligated to pipe up and let the other maker know you'd done so? Either out of respect, obligation or just the fact that the damn thing might surface at some point in the distant future.

I have not and will not sell any knives with wave features.
I do not, and will not, rip off other peoples ideas.

It's none of my business obviously, but as this has come out publicly, are there any other waved models in existence or was this a one time thing?

I have the utmost respect for Mr Emerson, as well as all American people.
I actually have 8 family members that are US citizens, and some of my best friends live in the US.
You can thus see why, I do not appreciate some of the comments made on this fourum.

Mr. DeVilliers, as an American, I appreciate that. I am among the minority of Americans that have lived in other countries. As such, I realize that people are basically people. I make no assumptions about people based on their country of origin. As a matter of fact, I hope to visit your fine country on holiday in the next couple of years.

I think you'll also find that the people that frequent this forum are of the most culturally diverse and nation friendly people around. Among our numbers we count members from many counties including Sweden, Burma, China, Canada, Taiwan, The UK, Turkey and South Africa, as well as a few I'm sure I'm missing.

I don't think there is a person among us that doesn't have respect for Chris Reeve, another maker from South Africa that had migrated to the US.

My point being, this is not a "South Africa thing", it's a violation of the rights of a man that we all respect. Period. No disparaging comments were made about your being from South Africa, nor I am 100% positive, was any implied.

Thank you Sir

John Hollister
 
So, here are the facts as I see them at this point.

On December 17th, 1999, Mr. DeVilliers asked the question:

"...I have been asked by a customer to build one of my knives with the wave feature. I would like to know if I can request permission, or pay a royalty to use it. Can anyone give me the specs on the patent or any other info Thanks, ADV"

On the very same day, a bit over 17 hours later, I had posed the question to Ernest and had responded to the question.

Two days later, Mr. DeVilliers responded with:

"Thank you for your response I would like to know about the info on the actual patent, as many knives with a large thumb ramp, could be made to open in this way."

The next day, I responded again, citing the ENTIRE U.S. Patent concerning the "Wave" feature.

We now jump ahead to November 21st, 2001, almost a full two years later. It seems that Larry Connelly at Knifeart advertises a "Bush King Wave", specifically mentioning the feature as well as the fact that the model "usually ships same day".

I post what Emerson Knives stance with regards to this matter almost immedeately.

Shortly thereafter, Mr. Connelly removes the knife from his website saying "Gentlemen, I was not aware of the sensitivity or background involved with this issue. I have decided to pull this item from my page. I express my regrets for listing this item on KnifeArt.com

Sincerely
Larry Connelley".

After a few more posts, we hear from Mr. Devilliers who claims that "This knife, was not intended to be advertised, especially not with a wave feature.This was a serious mistake. It has know been rectified."

If I am the only one who can find several BIG holes in this timeline, I would be surprised.

I am now emotionally invested in this situation. I am going to reserve further comments (of which I have quite a few) until I get the full story from Mr. Connelly and Mr. DeVilliers.

To both Mr's Connelly and DeVilliers, I would appreciate being filled in on the ENTIRE rest of the story. Please feel free to post the information here on the forums as to save me the trouble of doing it myself.

I sincerely look forward to being filled in on this story and hope that the explination is a much better one than is going through my mind now. I am certain that the rest of the Suspects are interested too.

Sincerely,
Derek R. Russell
Sales Manager,
Emerson Knives, Inc.
 
Somethings wrong with that timeline. I really can't wait to hear the WHOLE story. Im sure all of us would like to see the answers posted right here. I have to agree with John and say i don't think anyone was insulting So. Africa in any way. Looking forward to further info regarding timelines. Mr De Villiers...?
 
A red flag shot up the minute de villiers suggested it had anything to do with South Africa. Since it had not been mentioned except to state that it was where he resides, it would appear he is trying to divert our attention away from the actual facts. Some very respected BF members and knifemakers are from S.Africa, like C.Reeve, Aubrey,Tiaan Burger, and even the questionable HC LEO.
It also appears that Larry C. was not aware of the situation and removed the knife as soon as he was made aware.
Mr. De Villiers, the knife community is fairly small, made smaller by the internet. It might be time to cut your losses, come clean, and do the right thing, unless you can prove that everything is not as it appears.


Dave
 
Gentlemen
As I stated in my first reply.
I have not sold any other knives with the Wave feature.
I have not offered it on any custom knives.It does not appear on my web site, nor has it ever.
After hearing from the Emerson knife company, I chose not to make it.
However,two prototypes were already made.These were actually my Bushtac model, which has a high thumb ramp, all I had to do was grind a small notch into the front, and it worked like a wave.
The first one I gave to my cousin, and I kept the other.I carried it for some time, and then left it lying in my knife case, all this time.

Larry came out to S. Afica and visited me for a few days, and saw the knife.He asked if he could take the knife and sell it.
I told him that I could not get permission to use the wave, and that it is patented.After some discussion, we decided that, as there was only one knife, and I was not makeing more, it would not be a problem to sell this only one.We thought it would do no harm, and compared it to the Spyderco hole, which is also patented.Obviously we were very Wrong.
Larry is sending the knife back to me, and I have appologised to all that were offended.
I agree that the way it was advertised, was blatant, and wrong.Larry was not aware of the seriousness of the situation.He has also taken all steps to rectify the situation.
As you can see from this , I have NOT profited in any way from useing the Wave feature.
Please accept our appologies
Andre de Villiers
 
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