Heat-sunk tang into wood

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i'm not a knifemaker but i want your opinion on this. in my years in the southern philippines, i observed how strong this arrangement was. machetes with heat-sunk wooden handles have been dulled back from years of hard use in the fields and jungle are still being used as digging spades and for chopping wood. the handles are still firmly attached to the blade. i sometimes practice with live blades and the tang-handle design sometimes makes me wonder. thanks.
 
Hank, if the process is heating the tang and burning it into the wood that's a fairly common method of fitting up stick tangs and mortised handles.
 
i know in regards to japanese kitchen knives....they put something in the handle hole...i think it's sawdust when they burn the tang in.....they are made to be replaced though eventually....i've never had one fall off during use though....seems pretty sturdy....ryan
 
It is not reccomended for live blade practice. At the very least pin the tang to the handle so the blade does not one day come flying out.
 
I personally disagree with this method for a number of reasons..... suffice to say that it will work, under very specific circumstances, with very specific varieties of woods. Using it as a generalized method is asking for failures. Most of the woods that we use here in the US do not react well to this method.....at least not nearly as well as leaving a bit of room and applying a top grade adhesive.
 
hey thanks guys! a carpernter just explained it to me yesterday when we were visiting some old houses. the same principle was used in building. nails were heated before being driven into the round timbers used as posts and girders. the wood used was fresh and unseasoned. you can see a small circle of wood around the nail head that has dried out and this obviously grips the nail, preventing slippage over time.

ok, you gave me reason to worry. many of the knives FMA practitioners use have heat-sunk tangs. it's just that there are several marketers here selling well-regarded products that use this method. i don't want to start a scare.
 
Hank,

Saw your thread on the FMA sub-forum also. I have to agree with Mr. Caffrey that its workable but specific to the region and type of wood. Wood tends to shift (expanding or shrinking), crack or warp if they are in different climates than where they are naturally grown. The blades u saw prob never left the island climate.

Example, Sword scabbard makers take this into consideration when arranging the fit of the sword to the climate where the sword will geographically end up. If the climate is warm, said wood scabbard may expand resulting in a loose blade to scabbard fit. Likewise, if the climate is colder, the scabbard may shrink resulting in drawing difficulty. Then again, this wasn't a concern in historically speaking.

Regarding tropical hardwoods (kamagong, bahi, cocobolo,african ebony), they absolutely crack quicker in colder climates. I've concluded this from my own testing (and sick of FMA hype)of trying to break my own sets of hardwood sticks in the winter and summer here in NYC on numerous occasions. Matter of fact, my bahi sticks ( 3 sets) all cracked coming back from P.I. to NYC in a matter of months without use. I've dozens of P.I. blades and I prefer peened over non peened any day. I do like tropical hardwoods, but, many don't stand up to practical use here in the USA if you are talking handles for long blades.

The capentry example u are using is a bit apples to oranges. Most Bladesmiths don't use unseasoned wood and prefer naturally seasoned, kiln dried or stabilized woods for handles.
 
You can use the burning method for getting a tight fit on a hidden tang knife, but you should then try to clean out the charred material from the hole and use epoxy at a minimum. I have made a coule of knives with no pin for sytlistic reasons. but I used very good expoxy and nothced the hell out of the end of the tang and drilled a couple of holes in it to make sure the epoxy grabbed. One could argue that with the holes, I actually did have a "mechanical" fastener. It just happened to be made from hard plastic:D
 
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