Heat treat parrots

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Hey guys, I came to this site about 2 years ago knowing nothing and feel I have since learned quite a lot in that time. Obviously there are people here that have a ton of practical and technical knowledge, thanks to those people I can now.consider myself to have a good amount of practical and hands on knife knowledge and experience. Often times when threads come up comparing brands people chime in with their knowledge to share with those enquiring, although some other come along for the ride. My point being when people say things like esee has a better heat treat than kabar, or busse better than esee, how many of these frickin people know Wtf they're talking about and how many parrots are put there just mindlessly echoing what they have heard from people that may not know what they're even talking about??!!

Rant over, chime in at will.
 
I always give my opinions from my own experiences.
If I speak about someone elses opinion,I always name my source.
If I speculate, I will say that I do so.
When I'm proven to be wrong,I will admit that I'm wrong (but I hate to do that!:D).

Regards
Mikael
 
Sounds like you are tripping hard over there.

People spew garbage all over the web. This is why many times when I hear web 'experts' pass on their knowledge, I often consider the opposite just for good measure. People spread fud all over, that's just how it is. No point in getting wrapped around the axel about it.

-Freq
 
HardTripper said:
Hey guys, I came to this site about 2 years ago knowing nothing and feel I have since learned quite a lot in that time. Obviously there are people here that have a ton of practical and technical knowledge, thanks to those people I can now.consider myself to have a good amount of practical and hands on knife knowledge and experience. Often times when threads come up comparing brands people chime in with their knowledge to share with those enquiring, although some other come along for the ride. My point being when people say things like esee has a better heat treat than kabar, or busse better than esee, how many of these frickin people know Wtf they're talking about and how many parrots are put there just mindlessly echoing what they have heard from people that may not know what they're even talking about??!!

Rant over, chime in at will.
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Taking in consideration that most of it's nothing more than marketing as there really isn't anything special about simple low alloy non stainless steels not many really have a clue...... They are just parroting the cool-aid they heard or read someplace else.

There aren't any special magic heat treatments that will make any simple low alloy non stainless steel work miracles....

So for the most part it's just complete BS marketing to sell knives and people drink the cool-aid and really buy into it like it's something special, and that's so funny it's sad.....

1095 is just 1095 is still just 1095 and as long as the Heat treatment follows the basics it will work and that's 1095 around 55 HRC for the most part so we really aren't talking about anything revolutionary or even beyond the norm here.

The same goes for any of the 10XX steels......

So the bottom line really is if one wants a knife in 1095 it really doesn't matter what one they pick as they are all the same as long as they are worth buying and from a reputable maker.
 
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I don't think there's many, if any, outside of the company who know what the heat treat is. If one is harder than another, than that isn't so much a better heat treat than a different target hardness. I would put most of the observed differences in the shaping and sharpening of the blades and not a difference in the thermocouples or refractory linings of the furnaces.
 
Yeah that what I mean, Im not mad Freq :cool: It just seems that a lot of people refer to "Better heat treat" when recommending knives, sounds like fanboy bs talk to me. I just laugh :D
 
hardheart said:
I don't think there's many, if any, outside of the company who know what the heat treat is. If one is harder than another, than that isn't so much a better heat treat than a different target hardness. I would put most of the observed differences in the shaping and sharpening of the blades and not a difference in the thermocouples or refractory linings of the furnaces.
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Exactly....

The alloy content of 1095 is so low that the final hardness is the main factor in performance and depending on the use of the knife what spring temper was used so it just won't snap too easy.

So in effect all they have to do is pick one of the spring tempers that give a good hardness range for decent performance and they have a good knife that will take a good beating.

Or they can ramp the hardness up into the 65 HRC range and grind the blades really thin for slicers.
 
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I see this all the time and think you're absolutely right, people parrot stuff they don't understand. Anyone that's been around the 'net long enough learns to recognize this and not place any stock in comments like that.

My favorite will always be the people who have such a need to be experts that they'll simply manufacture information. Gotta love them too.

Everything has it's trolls and noise. I used to be a big gamer and those boards were full of the exact same behavior. Knife fanboys are no different. Just pat them on their cute little heads then return to hanging out with the people who value truth.
 
Some folks know what they are talking about. Many don't. If what is said does not make sense to me, I take it with a grain of salt until I can verify the statement.

But on the other hand, I don't call BS until I know it's BS.
 
It can't be on the Internet if it isn't true. Right?;)--KV====I thought you were asking for info on how to heat treat a parrot!:confused:
 
GarnetandBlack said:
its all irrelevent considering ESEEs HT is over 9000x better than anyone elses....

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Sorry sir but you obviously know nothing because, as we all know CS has the best heat treat, it turns aus8 into the best steel ever made, I mean it slices through whole cars with a single swing.

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Yeah, there is a lot of parrotting. Good internet research will often reveal the truth. But it's more fun to learn on your own by using a knife.
 
Not worth heat treating a parrot, not enough meat. A ham however...sandwiches for a week!
 
Nah parrots are better smoked slowly for 6-8 house depending on size, they are too tough if you try to cook them like a chicken. I recommend you marinate in saltwater with a bit of allspice, fresh chopped onions, and garlic overnight then use a spicy dry rub.
 
I've had people try telling me about who has the best heat treat, the second best, 3rd., etc. I asked how they knew . What is considered the best, and why. How do they find out proprietary information, what the testing protocol is and various other questions. The best, and most common answer is that it's "commonly accepted" that XXYYRR is the best. That is about the best I can get.

It's a pretty similar story for what the best brand is, the best steel,the toughest,etc.

I have found out that people have difficulty admitting they are wrong even when caught in the act.
 
A lot of truth on this thread. I am here primarily to learn and share, and the worst thing I can do is to turn around and give out false info on a subject that someone is learning about also. I def make a conscious effort to leave what is out of my league/experience to the learned.
 
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I know nothing about steel, but if both Becker and ESEE use 1095 ...why do you hear more stories about Beckers chipping and breakig than you hear about with ESEEs?
 
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