Heavy Ordanance? Corrugated Bevels?

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05dr

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i know just about everyone here has a serious lust for infi but i had a couple of questions in light of a "certain" knife possibly becoming available soon...

do the HO models sacrifice chopping/cutting performance in exchange for strength?

typically how much more do they weigh? a guess would be more than adequate.

anybody care to comment on corrugated bevels? pain to clean? better choppers/cutters as compared to typical grinds?

Thanks in advance!
ryan
 
General consensus (hard to imagine in the trough) last time was that the HO models didn't weigh much (more that is) compared to their increased chopping power. IMHO strength is irrelevent. Nobody can break a regular model.
 
GO BIG OR GO HOME

of course this is just the simple but honest opinion of a little piglet ;)
 
IMHO strength is irrelevent.
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this is actually what i was thinking, and why i wanted to make sure there wasn't a negative to going with the HO version if the regular FBM will never be lacking. if the weight gain is minimal and the HO is a better chopper than it is an easy call!

anyone care to comment on the corrugated bevels?
ryan
 
05dr said:
anyone care to comment on the corrugated bevels?
ryan
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Can't say I care for them myself, one of the reasons I passed on the Hellraiser. That and it was 3/16". 1/4" is the min for me on the larger fixed blade knives. I guess I'm being "old school" on this but I like my knives to be smooth, never really cared much for the blood groove on some blades either and it's been around a lot longer than I have.
 
usually i am willing to bite on things which increase performance with the sacrifice of looks but in this case it would also mean accepting a coated blade and seems like it wouldn't be as super easy to keep clean. without some sense of how much tangible benefit they provide i think i will end up going with the HOFBM with a non coated finish assuming availability isn't a big hassle.... thanks for the help.
ryan
 
tlmzdac said:
General consensus (hard to imagine in the trough) last time was that the HO models didn't weigh much (more that is) compared to their increased chopping power. IMHO strength is irrelevent. Nobody can break a regular model.
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So the HO does have a large increase in chopping power?
What's the thickness on both HO and std?
What will the price range?
What size/style blade is the Game Warden?

...sorry. Thats a lot of questions... Im still learning.
I LOVE my Hell Razor though, dug a 10" hole in the ground today to find a property pin at work. :D
ps... Should i ever have to worry about breaking the tip??
 
Have you handled any of the knives w/bevels? I've not used one - but i finally got to see one "in person" at Blade. The bevels were not nearly as pronounced as the pics lead you to believe. I don't think the bevels would be hard to clean at all... :)

I thought the same thing as silas on the hell razor, but after handling it and seeing it in person, it impressed me to say the least. :eek:
 
Yeah, I'm not crazy about the bevels on the HR. I don't mind them, but if i had the choice i'd go with a plain blade. Definitely looks a little different though.
As far as them reducing friction when slicing into material i cannot attest to. When I put more milage on it, I'll let you know. :)
 
Plain blade for me as well. The corrugated BM looks nice but I think it looks better plain. So I figure the satin LEHO will be my choice.
 
lehog edition for me... so im pretty sure i'll be limited to satin and snakeskin...

i'd like to have black on black with the corregated blade.... i wonder if i could get it a little thicker and still have the corregation???

lol.... if it kept the same weight, i'd like the corregation. just for the fun of it, having never used a blade with heavy corregation on it.


ideally i'd like black powder coated HOG blade with black normal canvas micarta grips... 3/8" thick seems like it would be too thick with the mag grips.

but then again, i'd like to have an ultra hog edition at 1/2" thick...
 
Have you handled any of the knives w/bevels? I've not used one - but i finally got to see one "in person" at Blade. The bevels were not nearly as pronounced as the pics lead you to believe. I don't think the bevels would be hard to clean at all...

I thought the same thing as silas on the hell razor, but after handling it and seeing it in person, it impressed me to say the least.
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The corrugations are very shallow and no problem whatever to clean of field grime on the HR. I used it for several hours today, along with a Ranger RD-9, to cut and chop 1/2 to 3 inch branches from live and dead trees. The HR is a pretty ideal field knife for my purposes. I was a little iffy on the kinda radical look of the corrugations when I saw it on the Busse site, but I like it now. Nobody else has a design feature like it, and it sure as hell doesn't detract from it's field utility and may add, but I don't know. I'm probably gonna buy another one before they're gone from the Company Store.

In an earlier post, in the Busse forum, I noted that, on a blade which averages about 1 3/4 inch wide, The total shallow cutout or depressional area on the blade (due to the "bevels" and another wider groove) is about 7/16 inch, or about 25% of the width of the knife - a pretty substantial amount of surface area in relief. So, does the design reduce friction by 25%, blade engineers?
 
Has Jerry even posted the reason for going with the corrugated bevels? I guess I read something about weight savings but was weight really ever an issue? It doesn't make sense to me that on one hand you're worried about weight and then on the other you release HOG and LE versions that are really thick.
 
I, for one, really like the corregated bevels and is one of the reasons that I purchased a Hell Razor. I think that It is good for Busse to make modifications, changes, improvements and variations. I know many of you "old-school" guys like the blades without them, but respect the fact that there are those of us that prefer such things.
 
I am with you. the bevels look cool. It is a least a different look and I have had no problems when using. I would not want them on every knife - but the HR works for me - better than I thought it would before I handled one.
 
I like the design. :) I love my Hell Razor and only wish it was 1/4 instead of 3/16.


I’m not sure what width the FBM will come in but am hoping for some 5/16 (or 3/8) offerings. I want a knife this big to have some heft.


Would also like to see FBM offerings coated or bare finished, grooves or no grooves. But that’s probably unreasonable from a production standpoint and I’m not the one that has to make and sell them for a profit.


Just a thought:


The grooves, fullers, runners, corrugations or whatever may be just a cosmetic touch. I can’t believe weight savings was an issue. What’s the point of a blade this big (if it's the same dimensions of previous FBMs') without the mass.


Grooves could provide easier chopping as the ridges might provide less friction or surface area to contact the material being cut through, …..but then the grooves/ridges could also provide something for a rough or soft surface being chopped to bite on and cause some drag/sticking during removal.


Grooves could provide some strength/flexibility because of the shape and some (minimally) additional surface area, …..but if they are used on and area that is too thin, I would think it might be a wash or maybe even provides less strength.


Regardless, another great evolution in the BM line. Nobody will be disappointed.
 
I really dont get why anyone would want a 9-10" blade to be anything over 1/4" stock. Any thicker and its just extra weight to lug around.

Personally Id like to see a 3/16" FBM.
 
I also would like to see a 3/16" model. I'd still get at least one of the fatties, too! If the weights of the FSH's are any indication, the HOFBM will be a beast (my HH w/mag scales is 1lb 6oz, and the AK is 1lb 13oz).

I'm not crazy about the corrugated edge, but it ain't a deal breaker for me.
 
anyone know exactly how much more the HH weighed than the FSH?

I'm not crazy about the corrugated edge, but it ain't a deal breaker for me.
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deal breaker? like there are ANY deal breakers regarding the FBM!;) :p
ryan
 
mogmz said:
I really dont get why anyone would want a 9-10" blade to be anything over 1/4" stock. Any thicker and its just extra weight to lug around.

Personally Id like to see a 3/16" FBM.
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The weight is not much of an issue, at least to me.

Think I got this right:


HOGFSH 1lb 11oz
HOGFSHLE 1lb 10oz
HHFSH 1lb 8oz
FSH std 1lb 7.5oz


If you're already carrying around a 1 - 2 pound knife, then forget the extra ounce or so and give me the meat!
 
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