"Heavy weight backpacking"

With the weight of clothes, sleeping bag, and a host of odds and ends attached to my butt here and there, I would say my ALICE pack probably weighs in around... 40 pounds (including my butt-pack and pistol belt). I plan to go off the grid near October (and I mean for real... squatting and living like a hobo real), so I will be carrying everything I feel I may survive for the rest of my life on. If my clothes become shoddy, I will either try to buy new ones, or depending on how far into the bush I am (and if I don't end up being arrested by some rangers) I will wear animal skins.
 
wow that's hardcore. i've always wanted to do that, but i don't know if i can ever bring myself to. good luck with that, and hope it turns out well
 
The extra gear sounds great, but how far do you guys walk with those 1201b packs? When I was a youngster I'd walk 40 miles with a 60ib pack. Now I'm strictly lightweight for backpacking.

Good luck with your trip Mystical Woodsman, sounds like a lot of fun.
 
The extra gear sounds great, but how far do you guys walk with those 1201b packs? When I was a youngster I'd walk 40 miles with a 60ib pack.

I've done many a road march over my past 20 years in the Army...and I still do them. I really try to lower my pack weight as much as possible. I'm still in shape, but I'm much more maneuverable with a lighter pack, especially if we hike "off-trail". Our first "major" backpacking trip with the kids was only about 6 miles to a nice remote camp site. I didn't want to burden my wife or kids, so I took the majority of the load...WAY TOO MUCH!

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It hovered just under a 100 pounds and parts of the trail were washed out and at one point we needed to actually haul our packs up and over a 10 foot section of rock wall. Never again will I carry that much...even if I can!

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Needless to say, the kids and the dog all carry their own and a little extra "collective" weight. I still add a few extra knives and ammo just out of habit, but if my pack gets above 60 pounds than I start looking for a trail that is wide enough for my 4x4:D

ROCK6
 
This has been a very popular topic on this forum

Maybe we should have a bladeforum 25 mile a day outing with the heavyweighters vs lightweights.

I wonder who would die first the heavyweighters from exhaustion or Injury in the middle of nowhere or the lightweights from lack of supplies and malnutrition. :)
 
Rock,

Thats not a backpack you have there, thats a Winnebago!

It felt like a Winnebago! I wouldn't be packing that much weight more than a few miles...especially on a rough trail. I consider myself a "midweight" backpacker now:D

ROCK6
 
Rock,

Yep, each year I lean more towards the lighter stuff. With my kids ages and business obligations, I'm really a day hiker right now, but I am still thoughtful about the weight of anything I am carrying in the mountains all day...
 
It felt like a Winnebago! I wouldn't be packing that much weight more than a few miles...especially on a rough trail. I consider myself a "midweight" backpacker now:D

ROCK6

Hey Rock, What brand of pack is that? It looks like an extra-extra large Alice pack. I need to get one of those!
 
Hey Rock, What brand of pack is that? It looks like an extra-extra large Alice pack. I need to get one of those!

Looks like a medley of Kifaru gear.

That should be an add for the Dock and Lock system.

Very impressive.

H
 
Before we split hairs, what I do is more camping than backpacking, most of the time. When I camp, and bring my big pack, it's because we're either hiking in (usually no more than 15 miles) to a campsite, where we set up basecamp and day hike from there, or canoe in to set up camp.

My big pack usually weighs in at 65-70 pounds. Inside it is my hiking bag, which actually contains most of the tools/survival gear. The rest of the pack is taken up by additional shelter (0 degree sleeping bag if winter, tent, etc), a LOT of it is extra food, usually some cast iron cookware, etc. It's for luxry at basecamp, not for trying to spend my vacation running myself into the ground trying to cover a lot of miles.

Y'all mentioned dogs. My dog is apparently bigger than the others, as he can easily carry more than a mere 6 Guiness (heck, he'd have them drunk down before we got to camp), I have him carry in his harness 5 pounds of food, 2 collapsable bowls (one for food, one for water), a few bags of real beef jerky (not those Beggin Strips things) and his favorite blanket.

With the weight of clothes, sleeping bag, and a host of odds and ends attached to my butt here and there, I would say my ALICE pack probably weighs in around... 40 pounds (including my butt-pack and pistol belt). I plan to go off the grid near October (and I mean for real... squatting and living like a hobo real), so I will be carrying everything I feel I may survive for the rest of my life on. If my clothes become shoddy, I will either try to buy new ones, or depending on how far into the bush I am (and if I don't end up being arrested by some rangers) I will wear animal skins.

I went through a rough time in my life, and decided that instead of hanging myself, I'd just disappear, and did the hobo thing. Some advice on getting by: bring a set of "respectable" clothes. Can be jeans and a polo shirt, Carhartts, or something. Carry a hygeine kit (this is one of the most important pieces of kit you need to have. I'd bathe and shave before going into town, and wear the good set of clothes. You get an entirely different reception if you're clean and smell nice. I'd go into town to buy stuff I needed, or to get money. I either went to day labor places, or I'd get a temp job for a week or two. When I had enough money, or got sick of the place, I moved on. Also having a picture ID and a VISA Checkcard were great, because I could get by without being picked up as a vagrant, by explaining that I wasn't a bum, I was one of those nature boys that wants to hike cross-country from X to Y (wherever it'd be logical to cross through that point). So they let me go as one of those stupid "neo hippies". I know you want to be off the grid, but consider those camoflage, you don't have to USE them (but they need to not have expired).
 
I pack lite now-a-days because of a medical condition I have, I was operated last year for blood clots, unfortunately they do return if I do not take coumadin(blood thinners) It's just all around easier on the physique + I don't have to worry about forgetting anything.

But I do remember my earlier days of camping where, I'd throw everything in the van from garden tools to the medicine cabinet and just park 5' from the tent ahah.
 
I pack pretty heavy also, probably 40 - 60 lbs. I used to try to go light, and got caught on a mountaintop unprepared. We all got down, but I never forgot the lesson. Now I bring what I will need, and for my wife also. She has arthritis and can't carry an upper body load. And for 2 kids now, although they're starting to get big enough to carry their own water. We don't go as fast as the ultralighters, but we don't want to anyway, we're always taking pictures, looking at flowers, whatever. So it doesn't matter, I'm not in a race. I like to enjoy the woods.

I'm still in good shape (knock on wood), and look at it as a good workout. Lots of hikes 8 - 10 miles, and have climbed 10 of Colorado's 14'ers with this much weight also. Those climbs were from 6 - 15 miles in length, vertical from 2000 to 4000 ft. Water is one of the biggies, we climbed Mt. Elbert probably 10 years ago, it is a LONG trip. I carried 10 liters of water, and we still ran out! The streams were farther down the mountain so we had to go dry for a while.
 
Some advice on getting by: bring a set of "respectable" clothes... Carry a hygeine kit... I either went to day labor places, or I'd get a temp job for a week or two... I know you want to be off the grid, but consider those camoflage, you don't have to USE them (but they need to not have expired).

Already on it. I am learning about straight razors right now. Where did you put your bag before going into town? I would hate to carry all my stuff everywhere (where people would automatically know I was a hardcore traveler), not your ordinary citizen with a "respectable" residence, so to prevent that judgment, I would probably ditch my pack a few miles outside of city limits hidden somewhere? At least that is what I am thinking I will have to do in certain circumstances and scenarios.
Other than finding a stream to bathe near or using someones water spiket late at night, where did you clean up? What about laundry? I can be inventive but I would like to hear what you have to say about those things. :)

I am glad to hear you are still around my friend, and thank you for bringing that up to help me.
 
I've never actually weighed my pack, but I've done multi-day winter mountaineering with a 60litre pack(Arcteryx Bora 60). If you can do that in the White Mountains in January, I can't imagine needing more in the summer anywhere south of the Canadian border. That said, I've also gotten away with a half-full(maybe3/4 full) 20litre pack for multi-day, several hundred kilometre adventure races, so I'm used to bringing what I need and little more. There's is a happy middle ground for sure, but you'll never see me carrying monster loads.
What's the point of heading off into the backcountry if all you'll be looking at are your feet from all the weight?:confused:
 
Already on it. I am learning about straight razors right now. Where did you put your bag before going into town? I would hate to carry all my stuff everywhere (where people would automatically know I was a hardcore traveler), not your ordinary citizen with a "respectable" residence, so to prevent that judgment, I would probably ditch my pack a few miles outside of city limits hidden somewhere? At least that is what I am thinking I will have to do in certain circumstances and scenarios.
Other than finding a stream to bathe near or using someones water spiket late at night, where did you clean up? What about laundry? I can be inventive but I would like to hear what you have to say about those things. :)

I am glad to hear you are still around my friend, and thank you for bringing that up to help me.


About ten years ago I did something pretty similar to what you're describing. I just wandered around the US and Canada for a couple of years.

When I would get to a city, I would usually stuff my pack into a locker at the Greyhound terminal.

University gyms often have a shower room and if you don't have a big pack and you're in the right general age range you can probably walk right in...although people were less security conscious ten years ago.

Regardless, I assume I often smelled like I'd been lying on a highway for three days...

I shave with a straight razor now but on the road I would just use disposable bics, just easier overall. Although I guess if you were regularly shaving off a couple weeks' growth, then maybe a straight razor would be better. Still they do require a fair bit of time and energy to use (in my experience.)

On the other hand one great thing about living to wander around is that you have all the time in the world.

Keep us posted and good luck!
 
Already on it. I am learning about straight razors right now. Where did you put your bag before going into town? I would hate to carry all my stuff everywhere (where people would automatically know I was a hardcore traveler), not your ordinary citizen with a "respectable" residence, so to prevent that judgment, I would probably ditch my pack a few miles outside of city limits hidden somewhere?
I carried mine with me. But then again, it wasn't a dirty beat up pack, it was a nice (fairly) clean canvas pack. I'm sure people caught on to what was up, but noone ever said anything, probably because I kept clean (which you'll find is just as necessary for health as it is for appearances).

Other than finding a stream to bathe near or using someones water spiket late at night, where did you clean up?
LOL, well, I used a stream, or a spigot on commercial buildings in town. You can also find homeless shelters, and they'll often let you shower once a day, and do a load of laundry once a week, or they will know where you can, there's always places in cities to do such. To be honest, that's why I worked for money periodically, I'd just go to the laundramat. Also those shelters will often have kits with motel soap, toothpaste and a brush, and usually a bic razor or two and small can of shaving cream if you asked for it. But again, i just bought my own. Straight razors are the best way to go, but you can use disposables fine, just keep a pair of scissors to shorten things up before shaving. Personally, I kept shaved.

What about laundry? I can be inventive but I would like to hear what you have to say about those things. :)
See above.

I am glad to hear you are still around my friend, and thank you for bringing that up to help me.

Hope it helps. I'll be honest, it's a very trying experience. Lonliness will be your biggest problem. I'd often make trips to go to church, or hang out at truck stops and such (where you can often get a shower as well). To talk to people. Both are great because churches are generally firendly to anyone, and truck stops are, by nature, filled with wanderers, so you don't see a lot of prejudice at either place.
 
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