Hedgehog Screws?

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jmflem

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Hey guys,
For the next sheath I'm gonna build I'm planning on making a horizontal crossdraw type sheath. I like the way Hedgehog Leatherworks does their straps and was planning on doing something similar. According to Ian Atkinson's Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYqmSzx_LRs) I'll need two 8-32 CSK allen bolts. Do any of you guys know where I can buy these online? I saw a bunch of different sizes on eBay, but the measurements were confusing me. If you know the exact measurements of the bolts Hedgehog uses that would be helpful. The head of the bolt needs to be small enough to sit inside the socket of a line 24 snap, and needs to be long enough to go through three layers of 8-9oz leather, screwing into a Chicago screw. If any of you guys could help me I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

JF
 
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I can't help, but I think their design is patented? I'd just ask them directly if it's for your own use. If you plan to sell them, they may license the design.
 
you can find 8/32 screws in any hardware store(like ACE) usually in the drawers aisle,Philips,alen,torx any will do, the length you just need long enough to go through the snap and screw it in the Chicago screw(if i am not mistaken the Chicago screw has to go through the leather not the bolt), your problem will be that you need to turn down the head of the screw to fit it inside the snap, i use to do my snaps like that(turning down the head)...or you can try and find these:
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http://snaps.dotfasteners.com/item/durable-8482--2/durable-8482-screw-studs/93-x8-107041-1a?
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sonil said:
you can find 8/32 screws in any hardware store(like ACE) usually in the drawers aisle,Philips,alen,torx any will do, the length you just need long enough to go through the snap and screw it in the Chicago screw(if i am not mistaken the Chicago screw has to go through the leather not the bolt), your problem will be that you need to turn down the head of the screw to fit it inside the snap, i use to do my snaps like that(turning down the head)...or you can try and find these:
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http://snaps.dotfasteners.com/item/durable-8482--2/durable-8482-screw-studs/93-x8-107041-1a?
problem solved
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Looks like a good idea. Just a little bit expensive since I wouldn't need 100 of them. I could just file the heads down on the allen bolts right? Do you know if any of the sizes on the eBay page I posted above are correct? Also, do you know which size Chicago screw I'd need? My local Tandy shop only carries 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" sizes. Thanks.
 
I could just file the heads down on the allen bolts right?
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it`s allot of work but yes...i used a grinder to turn them down(easier than filling),i can not help you with the other questions, other than the Chicago screws are allot easier to file them down if they are to long, maybe you could ask the guys at Tandy, they probably can help you on that
if you want to try few pieces of these snaps i posted above, PM me maybe we could arrange something...
 
sonil said:
it`s allot of work but yes...i used a grinder to turn them down(easier than filling),i can not help you with the other questions, other than the Chicago screws are allot easier to file them down if they are to long, maybe you could ask the guys at Tandy, they probably can help you on that
if you want to try few pieces of these snaps i posted above, PM me maybe we could arrange something...
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Well it looks like those snaps are screws, not bolts right? Do you directly screw them into the leather? It seems to me like they'd cut up the leather pretty badly. I would like to make the straps of the sheath removable, that's why I'm looking into screwing in the snaps instead of installing them.
 
they are bolts, 8/32 thread pitch, to fit inside the Chicago post
you drill your hole in the leather you pass the post through the leather, and then you screw the snap inside the post
 
sonil said:
they are bolts, 8/32 thread pitch, to fit inside the Chicago post
you drill your hole in the leather you pass the post through the leather, and then you screw the snap inside the post
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The second picture on the website you posted:

sonil said:
...or you can try and find these:
View attachment 433535
http://snaps.dotfasteners.com/item/durable-8482--2/durable-8482-screw-studs/93-x8-107041-1a?
problem solved
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has the point of a screw, and the description reads "self piercing". That's where I'm getting confused. What you are saying and what the website says seem to contradict each other :confused:. But if they are what you say they are, then that would be perfect :thumbup:. It seems like it's the bolt I'm looking for and the male snap in one piece. These are line 24 snaps right?
 
I just realized the eBay listings I posted up above are from ebay.co.uk :stupid:. I wonder if I would still be able to order from them even though I'm in the US?
 
jmflem said:
The second picture on the website you posted:





has the point of a screw, and the description reads "self piercing". That's where I'm getting confused. What you are saying and what the website says seem to contradict each other :confused:. But if they are what you say they are, then that would be perfect :thumbup:. It seems like it's the bolt I'm looking for and the male snap in one piece. These are line 24 snaps right?
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line 24 snaps here the specs from the link i posted:
Specifications

Product Type Screw Stud, with flange

Brand Name DURABLE™

Screw Type Machine

Finish Nickel Stud, Stainless Screw

Stud Material Brass

Screw Material Stainless Steel

Screw Length 3/8 in

Screw Dimensions #8-32

Pack Size 100 pieces

Note Contact DOT directly for pricing for quantities in excess of 10,000.

and here is a pic:
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sonil said:
line 24 snaps here the specs from the link i posted:
Specifications

Product Type Screw Stud, with flange

Brand Name DURABLE™

Screw Type Machine

Finish Nickel Stud, Stainless Screw

Stud Material Brass

Screw Material Stainless Steel

Screw Length 3/8 in

Screw Dimensions #8-32

Pack Size 100 pieces

Note Contact DOT directly for pricing for quantities in excess of 10,000.

and here is a pic:
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Alright, that makes sense. Do you know what length of screw and what length of Chicago screw I'd need? Thanks.
 
Well, that didn't work out too well :uncomfortableness:. Here's the reply I got:

Hello, thanks for your message.

Unfortunately, due to contractual agreements and company policy I cannot
specify our material sources. We are restricted to use all parts for
assembly of Hedgehog products only and are not able to sell any of our
components, raw materials or scraps. I am sorry about that.

Thanks again for your note. Please know we are wishing you the best in
leather crafting!
 
And I was accused of keeping secrets. :p

But, yea, sometimes business agreements go beyond sharing, I've seen it first hand when I was printing Tee shirts for a living. "We'll give you a deal if you wont say where its from"

The old saying is so true, "Its not personal, its business" I respect that. I also respect those that want to keep something in the family. I have techniques that I wont let go of, especially in art no matter who pokes at me for keeping secrets. And yes, that bit hard and deep when that happened. Was not pleasant.
 
...i don`t even understand why you even bother to bother them(Hedgehog guys)...you got all the information and what parts you need here...
you said Tandy is local right?...go buy some chicago screws lets say 1/2 long...get your leather drill the holes pass the Chicago screw through, there are three possibilitys
to sort(smallest possibility),to long, correct size...
if it`s long grab a file, it`s made out of brass, put some elbow grease and you`re done
the snap...it dosn`t mater if it`s the 3/8 or the longer one, it goes inside the chicago screw, which is flush with the leather....done....
PS trial and error is still what most of us here practice...
 
That seems like an acceptable answer from HH. I like free information and access as much as the next guy, but I don't have anything on the line.

I think it's a huge challenge to carve out a piece of the market when you're a full time maker of knives or sheaths. Not only do they have each other to innovate against, they have VERY formidable hobbyist competition. It must feel terrible when someone takes your ideas and undercuts your prices. I'm in no way implying that that's you, but it definitely IS a real issue. I'm just saying that they don't know you, and you aren't asking to license anything. I don't think you should feel uncomfortable, or embarrassed or anything for asking, or for their reply. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing, and it sounds like you both handled it reasonably. I don't think there's anything proprietary about what you're trying to do, it just may take some creativity to make it work. You can do it man. :)
 
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