Hedgehog Screws?

Strigamort said:
That seems like an acceptable answer from HH. I like free information and access as much as the next guy, but I don't have anything on the line.

I think it's a huge challenge to carve out a piece of the market when you're a full time maker of knives or sheaths. Not only do they have each other to innovate against, they have VERY formidable hobbyist competition. It must feel terrible when someone takes your ideas and undercuts your prices. I'm in no way implying that that's you, but it definitely IS a real issue. I'm just saying that they don't know you, and you aren't asking to license anything. I don't think you should feel uncomfortable, or embarrassed or anything for asking, or for their reply. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing, and it sounds like you both handled it reasonably. I don't think there's anything proprietary about what you're trying to do, it just may take some creativity to make it work. You can do it man. :)
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it`s not proprietary for sure, but when someone comes along and asks you to tell him," how you do that, because i want to duplicate it without spending the hours or waste the material you wasted in figuring it out"
what answer you`d expect?
 
sonil said:
it`s not proprietary for sure, but when someone comes along and asks you to tell him," how you do that, because i want to duplicate it without spending the hours or waste the material you wasted in figuring it out"
what answer you`d expect?
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I wasn't disagreeing with you. But since you asked... I would expect them to answer in a rational manner. Which they did.

Now if someone asked me? I'd tell them exactly how I do it. Seriously. Go to the Shop Talk forum, explain it exactly how you just phrased it, ask about anything... You'll get your answer if someone knows, and most likely someone knows if it pertains to knifemaking. That's just how it is.

Now then, to reiterate what I meant previously...

I think it's perfectly acceptable to ask whatever you want. I also think it's perfectly reasonable to answer, or not answer. If you have information about anything and choose not to share it, that's your prerogative. I think what Hedgehog replied with was entirely fine. They were pleasant in their response and that's all I could ask for.

I'm not really sure what your point was. I agree with either pov.
 
Strigamort said:
I wasn't disagreeing with you. But since you asked... I would expect them to answer in a rational manner. Which they did.

Now if someone asked me? I'd tell them exactly how I do it. Seriously. Go to the Shop Talk forum, explain it exactly how you just phrased it, ask about anything... You'll get your answer if someone knows, and most likely someone knows if it pertains to knifemaking. That's just how it is.

Now then, to reiterate what I meant previously...

I think it's perfectly acceptable to ask whatever you want. I also think it's perfectly reasonable to answer, or not answer. If you have information about anything and choose not to share it, that's your prerogative. I think what Hedgehog replied with was entirely fine. They were pleasant in their response and that's all I could ask for.

I'm not really sure what your point was. I agree with either pov.
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LOl i know we agree i was just saying....
as for the shop talk
..i am sure i will get lot of answers for lot of things from lot of people, but nobody will tell me everything they know...at some point you/i will have to put in the effort to figure some for ourselves.
i have learn lot of things from forums like this and others, and most times if i know something i will try to help,like i did on this one...notice i said "most times" :)
 
Eh... I think a lot of those guys in ST will tell you absolutely everything if they know what you need. Not just that, it's very common to see guys offering free services and hardware too.

Here's an example... Bruce Bump is an absolutely amazing knife maker. Like create a matching set of knife AND gun(!) from scratch good. Anyway, he designed a jig for grinding blades and sells them to other knife makers. A lot of makers do this kind of stuff to supplement their income. Anyway, so one day I get a PM from a knife maker that I don't remember ever even talking to saying that he has something for me, and could he please have my address. A short time later I received what looked exactly like one of those jigs, only it didn't have Bruce's makers etch. Turns out Bruce allowed him to make several of these to pass out to various knife makers who he thought might be able to use them. Aside from the generosity of the actual machining of these parts, assembly and shipping, there's that given permission to reverse engineer a very proprietary design with no royalty at all.

Another example. In regards to handle materials... In an effort to help reduce the cost in buying odd sizes of micarta and g10, a couple of guys figured out that these materials are available under different names for different applications at a reduced price. Instead of hoarding that information and getting a possible leg up on the next guy who wasn't aware of this, the information was shared openly. New ideas, suppliers for materials and techniques are talked about constantly. The idea is that there is enough market share for everyone, and to succeed, the best way is to constantly improve your product.

Does, or even should, this practice make sense in every circumstance? Maybe. Probably not. I don't know.

How you, or anyone else feels about it is not my business. I just hope to see some respect between craftsmen and that's what I'm seeing so I have no issues.
 
Its very good to see the respect for a makers hard work, especially if its somewhat proprietary. Those bolts, chicago screws, etc are not a maker specific thing, there's a lot of makers using them out there. :)

I once told a person that I'd teach him a technique but only him as I didn't really want to teach the whole forum. I was accused of keeping "secrets". Not only was this offensive, it hurt me a little. I dont see this person in the same light.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, ideas, where to find stuff, etc. Just please dont accuse a maker of selfish behavior just because he doesn't want to teach the whole world something that he honestly worked very hard to accomplish. I've watched knife makers get raked over the coals by another maker because he chose not to give away how he did a really nice treatment. Sad indeed.
 
leatherman said:
Its very good to see the respect for a makers hard work, especially if its somewhat proprietary. Those bolts, chicago screws, etc are not a maker specific thing, there's a lot of makers using them out there. :)

I once told a person that I'd teach him a technique but only him as I didn't really want to teach the whole forum. I was accused of keeping "secrets". Not only was this offensive, it hurt me a little. I dont see this person in the same light.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, ideas, where to find stuff, etc. Just please dont accuse a maker of selfish behavior just because he doesn't want to teach the whole world something that he honestly worked very hard to accomplish. I've watched knife makers get raked over the coals by another maker because he chose not to give away how he did a really nice treatment. Sad indeed.
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...well, i got few words for this guy, but i am sure if i write them i`ll get banned :p
 
sonil said:
...well, i got few words for this guy, but i am sure if i write them i`ll get banned :p
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:D Yea, its more difficult on my end, being a moderator means biting the tongue more often than not, the scar tissue is becoming an issue. :p

Sometimes this phrase means so much "just let it go, or it will eat you alive"
 
I wasn't in on anything that occurred between you and anyone else Dwayne, but I haven't seen anything that makes me question your dedication to helping others. I'm sorry to hear that there's any bad blood between ANY of us. It's your right to share, or keep to yourself, anything that you've worked hard to achieve. The thing about sharing free information is that there must be level respect by those giving the information, but especially from those receiving it. It's a great responsibility to not act foolishly or irresponsibly. It's when people start taking advantage of each other that giving freely becomes a problem.

It can't work if we aren't mature, respectful and responsible with each other.
 
Exactly, and I am very happy that the incident in question was not more in the light than it was, its just a good example of what not to do to someone willing to help and teach. One person or a hundred, it makes no difference.

This fall I will be teaching art at a home school co-op. This place here is my learning ground, I have learned a lot, and I hope I have taught a little along the way. I will keep teaching here, some to all, and all to some. I am willing to let go of all I know and all I will learn to those who want to learn, but I will not let go of everything I know to the masses. I did that once and lived to regret it. Nuff said.
 
I completely understand Hedgehogs position. I meant no disrespect at all to the company or anyone else. I simply wanted to know the size of hardware they use, nothing more. It's just a simple screw, and I have no plans to copy their techniques or anything; that's just disrespectful and stupid. I want to make it clear that there are no hard feelings and I apologize if I seemed like I was being a jerk to anyone. Forgive me? :)
 
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