Help Find a knife for protection while hiking

CMSpeedy said:
Paddling Man, I must have a Northstar after seeing yours. What a sweet knife!!

Who sells them?

There is another knife forum out there. (I hesitate to actually name it on this one.) But Bark River has a subforum there. One of the stickies is a "where can you buy them" sort of post.

DLT Trading always gets good reviews.

I bought one ebay, one Barkie from Brigade, and one was a trade with a forum member.

Good luck, you'll enjoy them!
 
Ka-Bar company name came from "to kill bear" check out their history. I just got done putting a razor sharp swedge on mine. Awesome penetration.
 
:thumbup: Agreed. The Becker Campanions are extremely stout and at a good price; I used to own one.

I did find the grip uncomfortably large for such a short knife. If you've never held one, think Ontario machete size. :D Those big grips feel great on my BK91 and I've kept it, but WAY awkward on the shorter Campanion and BK11.

People tend to fall into either of two camps with the Becker grips: love 'em or hate 'em. I happen to like them on the big blades but it would be worth checking one out in person before you narrow it down to a Becker.

(The little Necker is pretty sweet too. I had one but never really needed a neck knife, so I traded it for other sharp things.)
 
Somebody in another thread mentioned a Spyderco Temperance available for $50, I think it was sierratradingpost.com or something like that. Great knife.

Also, why not try a Spyderco Kumo? Blade design makes it a good stabber, handle is grippier than almost anything out there, and its light so it won't add weight to your pack. Comes with a tec-lock and, while I don't know if it's legal by you, blade is around 4 1/8" long, not as long as some of the other knives mentioned above. I like mine.
 
Thanks again guys! I've been doing a lot of research and looking around. I went to a surplus store and held a bunch of different models.

That Spyde' kumo was too small for my hand and the nice Benchmade Fixedblade Griptilian had a flatish handle so it wasn't really comfortable. The Rat-3 handle was too short as well.

I'm really leaning towards the Bark River Huntsman over the Fox River because of the flare on the handle to help prevent grip sliding onto the blade. Ouch. But that Fox is sweeet.

So what kind of handle can I get on the Bark River Huntsman that would be the best for gripping hot, cold, wet or dry?

I still like the F1 Flakniven and that one with the Rubber Handle F1 looks really good too.

And I definitely like the look of those Bob Dozier knives. Like the KM-6 or KM-3

Can you guys comment on these here?

Doug Ritter RSK MK3 CPM S30V hardened to 58-60 HRC

Moran Drop Point Skinner Hunting Knife by Spyderco Knives VG-10

Spyderco Lum Tanto AUS-8

TOPS Sea Wolfe 154CM

This KA-BAR Looks nice too.
 
Oh Boy! Perfect opportunity for me coming up on August 19 to 20th as there is a local Bay Area Knife Collectors Association event at the Crowne Plaza in Palo Alto!! I hope to find just the right couple of knives there. Or at least find out the size, weight etc that feels comfortable etc. :)
 
440C is not a bottom of the line steel. It is a very good stainless steel. Better than S30V, VG-10, 154CM, and BG-42 in many applications (and worse in many as well). It is not a top of the line steel, but there is a reason many top custom knifemakers use it and suggest it over S30V, BG-42 etc... for many uses. For an outdoor knife, I would probably prefer a properly heat-treated 440C blade over S30V or any of the harder stainless steels. 440C is tough and has very good stain resistance. S30V, 154CM etc... are very good for folders and small fixed blades and EDC duties as they hold an edge for a long time. For self defense, you do not need a steel that will hold an edge for a long time. For other outdoor chores (which you may encounter and have nothing to do with fighting off animals), toughness is often more important than edge retention.

Buck's 420HC is also very well done. Not a high-end steel, but it should not be discounted.

I am not a knife expert, but whoever told you not to look at anything in 440C is just a parrot and probably buys into hype without actually using knives. He is just listing steels he has heard are good, and telling you to discount steels he sees on a lot of low-end knives (which doesn't mean they are bad steels). He tells you S30V and A2 are good... and they are... but they are also totally different. Why is he telling you to look at two totally different steels for one application? It's like saying Corvettes are good and so are Hummers when someone asks about off-roading, and then saying not to bother with Jeep.

If you just want a knife to defend yourself, then the steel doesn't really matter that much. Do not get caught up in getting a knife in a high-end steel if the only use is going to be defense. However, if you are also going to use the knife for other general outdoor applications, then steel is important. When you hike, do you ever set up camp? Prepare food? Do you need to clear brush when you hike? Maybe you will need to cut cloth to make bandages for first aid? Chop wood for fire? I really have no idea what your needs will be. But a steel like 440C is actually something more appropriate for general outdoor uses than something like S30V or 154CM (though you should not automatically discount them). A2 would be a good choice too if you will need to do more demanding tasks like chopping wood.

The Buck 119 is actually not large at all. Have you seen one in person or are you judging from pics?

It really comes down to what specific things you need a knife for, and how much you want to spend. For 30 bucks, a Buck 119 is just fine. It is a classic, and many people have made due with it for many years. If you can spend more, you can get more. An Ontario RAT (in D2 or 1095) would be good. Maybe the Rat 5 or Rat 7. Becker makes good fixed blades for the same price and a little cheaper (than Ontario's RATs). For a little more Bark River is great. If you can spend around $200 bucks, Bob Dozier is far and away the best IMO. For more money Busse is highly spoke of, though I have never used one.
 
Hair said:
440C is not a bottom of the line steel. It is a very good stainless steel. Better than S30V, VG-10, 154CM, and BG-42 in many applications (and worse in many as well). It is not a top of the line steel, but there is a reason many top custom knifemakers use it and suggest it over S30V, BG-42 etc... for many uses. For an outdoor knife, I would probably prefer a properly heat-treated 440C blade over S30V or any of the harder stainless steels. 440C is tough and has very good stain resistance. S30V, 154CM etc... are very good for folders and small fixed blades and EDC duties as they hold an edge for a long time. For self defense, you do not need a steel that will hold an edge for a long time. For other outdoor chores (which you may encounter and have nothing to do with fighting off animals), toughness is often more important than edge retention.

Buck's 420HC is also very well done. Not a high-end steel, but it should not be discounted.

I am not a knife expert, but whoever told you not to look at anything in 440C is just a parrot and probably buys into hype without actually using knives. He is just listing steels he has heard are good, and telling you to discount steels he sees on a lot of low-end knives (which doesn't mean they are bad steels). He tells you S30V and A2 are good... and they are... but they are also totally different. Why is he telling you to look at two totally different steels for one application? It's like saying Corvettes are good and so are Hummers when someone asks about off-roading, and then saying not to bother with Jeep.

If you just want a knife to defend yourself, then the steel doesn't really matter that much. Do not get caught up in getting a knife in a high-end steel if the only use is going to be defense. However, if you are also going to use the knife for other general outdoor applications, then steel is important. When you hike, do you ever set up camp? Prepare food? Do you need to clear brush when you hike? Maybe you will need to cut cloth to make bandages for first aid? Chop wood for fire? I really have no idea what your needs will be. But a steel like 440C is actually something more appropriate for general outdoor uses than something like S30V or 154CM (though you should not automatically discount them). A2 would be a good choice too if you will need to do more demanding tasks like chopping wood.

The Buck 119 is actually not large at all. Have you seen one in person or are you judging from pics?

It really comes down to what specific things you need a knife for, and how much you want to spend. For 30 bucks, a Buck 119 is just fine. It is a classic, and many people have made due with it for many years. If you can spend more, you can get more. An Ontario RAT (in D2 or 1095) would be good. Maybe the Rat 5 or Rat 7. Becker makes good fixed blades for the same price and a little cheaper (than Ontario's RATs). For a little more Bark River is great. If you can spend around $200 bucks, Bob Dozier is far and away the best IMO. For more money Busse is highly spoke of, though I have never used one.
Thank you for taking the time to post all of these details.

Since I'm a n00b I have to take all the data and filter it until I find what will work for me as a usable "hiking" knife. This knife should be able to do whatever comes up on the hikes that I do. I'm not sure of what all that may be at this time but I want to be glad that in the event I need to use it against a mountain lion, that I will not wish I had the 119 or something else instead of what I chose. (Remember those odds I posted though) It's a pretty slim chance that I will encounter a big cat so the knife should be useful for hiking needs as well. So... I guess I'll let you know what those are as I figure them out :)

T
 
Dogs are great, mainly domesticated work animals. They are, put bluntly, work animals, are plentiful, and are not major keystone predators. Bears are important keystone predators and in the lower 48 are not particularly abundant. In the lower 48 they seldom attack humans unless provoked, and frankly I think they have more of a "right" to be in what remains of our wilderness areas than dogs do. I also oppose most (not all) bear hunting, for similar reasons. And for similar reasons I am all for deer, elk, and moose hunting, particularly when they are employed as part of an integrated wildlife management strategy.
 
Another knife I like for hiking/protection is the SOG revolver with AUS-8 steel.A very pratical knife for many uses.
PJ
 
the problem with 440 series of steels comes when people interchange 440c with the lesser quality (for knife making) 440s ,,440c is a great steel,,has great edge holding abilities and is stainless
the other 440s ,,just plain 440,,or 440a are not good steels for knife making
D2 has better edge holding qualities but is not stainless ,,so unless you prepared to wipe it off and oil it after each use I would go with 440c .
D2 is susceptable to rusting
440c was the knife making standard for years and most modern knife steels are spin offs of 440c
thanks Terry
 
D-2 is almost stainless. I wouldn't worry much about corrosion with D-2. S30V is better than 440C in most knife applications. S30V is just as resistant to corrosion, is way tougher and will hold a better edge -- heat treat rules.

There are lots of fixed blades that would be good to carry. I really like the Dozier blades which come with his horizontal kydex sheath. They are very secure and still fast to deploy. I have a couple that sit just left of my belt buckle and can be drawn with either hand. For your mountain lion application, being able to draw the knife quickly is key. My favorite Doziers are the K-1, K-4 and K-7. I can't think of a better knife for slicing. $.02, YMMV
 
CS bushman witha shaft head the right size to take the knife's socket, You have a good 7 in bladed filed knife plus instant spear if the need should arise. and in my opinion a spear beats a knife anyday in weapons caliber.
 
I tend to agree with the Pepper Spray comments, it is generally good stuff. However I still advocate carrying a knife. For your purposes take a look at the SOG Seal PUP. You should be able to get one under $60, it is light weight, durable, easy to strap to a belt and can be deployed quickly. The blade on it is super tough and razor sharp out of the box.
 
ras said:
S30V is better than 440C in most knife applications. S30V is just as resistant to corrosion, is way tougher and will hold a better edge -- heat treat rules.
I agree with you about D2. It is fairly stain resistant and one should not worry about it rusting unless it is really abused. I also agree with you about Bob Dozier. The Type A sheaths are great, and his knives are great cutters (and strong). But I would not say that S30V is tougher than 440C at all. S30V can be very tough and is used to good effect in many tough knives (Strider, CRK Green Beret, Trident), but 440C is just more robust during heavy chopping, and I believe it is more ductable as well.
 
Not what I would recommend, but a Buck 110 took out a brown, IIRC, on one of the islands off of Alaska according to a knife article in either TK or KI, again IIRC.. Chuck Buck had it mounted and presented to the old man that used it.
On Vancouver Island in BC about a year or two ago, an old man killed a couger with a folder, and again, IIRC, it was either a Buck or a SAK...

It doesn't matter what you carry - you just have to be prepared to use it... and be REAL, REAL lucky!
 
patrickjames said:
Another knife I like for hiking/protection is the SOG revolver with AUS-8 steel.A very pratical knife for many uses.
PJ

I prefer the S&W revolver, myself.

Gordon
 
Jumped into this thread a little late...
I'm also a big fan of Bark River knives, but I have to say that the North Star is a little small.
Look at a Settler if your hands are anywhere from medium-sized to large.
It's got a longer blade, and a longer, thicker handle, with a lower quillion (half guard).
Settler_Tuilpwood.jpg
 
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