Help finishing Burlap

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Ok first time working with burlap micarta

I've got these scales wet sanded to 1000 grit and polished on the buffer with red compound.

The sheen is perfect,,, but at certain angles I see what I think are dry fibers that never got completely saturated in the resin.
They are not voids like I first thought. I tried filling them but that didn't work either...

Is this a norm for burlap?
What to do?
 
What you are seeing is the actual burlap. The fibers have a different texture than the filler.
There is nothing you can do about that.
A coat of paste wax might help a little.
 
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I did do that John L, but the sheen was off when polished.
Meaning it had different sheens in areas from the CA.
Here is a pic of it sanded only to 600 to show more what I'm talking about.

The CA did fill in the deeper voids but the very faint ones kept the same look.
Like dry fibers.
It is now 99% better but just has a dry fiber look that sometimes looks like a void at certain angles.

 
the only cause i can come up with is maybe a lower grit ( like 80) belt tore some of the material out, or it was not totally saturated with resin to begin with. the red compound might be why the CA does not stick to the shallower ones, i am not sure how you cleaned it before applying CA. if it was my problem, i might try going back down to 220 to get rid of them, or try cleaning a different way before applying ca. maybe try acetone.
 
I've made and used burlap "micarta" and usually solve this problem with a light coat of West Systems 2 part epoxy after it's sanded down to where I want it, then a light final sanding afterwards.
 
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I believe the problem is in the material itself.
The more I sand the more I reveal.
So some might go away from being filled with ca.
But then more show up.
A dog chasing its tail.

I've got it a lot better now but at a slight angle you can see it.
 
I believe the problem is in the material itself.
The more I sand the more I reveal.
So some might go away from being filled with ca.
But then more show up.
A dog chasing its tail.

I've got it a lot better now but at a slight angle you can see it.

I've had the same issue re-finishing handles with these materials. The result is a consequence of the material itself, just like you said. Sometimes when I sand down, I'll get small fibers of the material that stick up and change the feel and look of the finished product. I haven't had much success dealing with it. Also, some of the large fiber strands (which I can see in your photo) end up having large flat voids that don't appear to have had the resin fill in all the way.

If you end up finding a good solution please let me know.
 
I believe the problem is in the material itself.
The more I sand the more I reveal.
So some might go away from being filled with ca.
But then more show up.
A dog chasing its tail.

I've got it a lot better now but at a slight angle you can see it.


Yep. I ran into the same problem finishing carbon fiber. The carbon strands themselves will tear out when hand sanding up to finer grit, or maybe they just become more apparent, I think most people's solution is just to leave it at around 400, but it doesn't really pop like that. In industry though when they want a fine finish with it, they use a "coating epoxy" and multiple coats (similar to coating with CA glue multiple times) and then re-sand and buff.


When it comes to this micarta, and I'm assuming you're using the stuff Texas Knife is selling as "Barbed Wire" recently, or masecraft sold as "burlap micarta, even though it's very different than the barbed wire from a few years back (the old stuff is much better quality and consistency), I think this is a by-product of lesser quality processes. The really good stuff, like the old westinghouse and other domestic product, was heated and pressed under high tonnage, to remove any void and get a very dense homogeneous product, where the lesser quality, even industrially produced (which this stuff is), must be lacking adequate pressing or heating or something.

It's still better than any homemade stuff, but it's nothing like the quality of the first barbed wire micarta.


Lots of the carbon fiber is cured in an autoclave or vacuum bagged, but I don't think most of it is pressed or heated to remove all the voids either. Although some of the higher end LVA/Low Void stuff, is much better. Unfortunately I can't seem to find some of the cooler products made like this. So I've pretty much stopped using it.
 
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I often have that problem with burlap, denim and the like. The only cure I've found is as John L. said
above. A couple coats of CA let dry , sand, and buff, but this will leave you with a glassy smooth handle.
Ken.
 
This happens also with the brown linen Micarta I have. (Its real Micarta, salvage from scrapped switchgear)
Of course its fiber is finer than burlap, but its appearence there. Buffing brings it out all the more.
 
Unless you completely encapsulate these composite handles, the base material will ALWAYS show through where it is exposed.
 
Well I didn't like the glass look from the CA, so I backed off from 1000 grit to 600. Then buffed with red compound from there.
Turned out fine, and just knowing it's the nature of this Burlap I'm fine with it.

And Thank You John Loyd for the material.

 
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