Help: I Want A Knife!

There's a flat 4" limit in NYC, BUT last I heard it can be a fixed-blade and even double-edge.

I'd check on that point. Bob Dozier sells a "New York Special" 3.75" double-edge little critter, which is why I'm thinking that's what's up.

On Yahoo Groups, there's a New York gun rights mailing list, NYgunpolitics@yahoogroups.com - if you can't get solid answers here or by doing a search on the knife laws forum, sign on there and see if somebody knows.

If I'm right, and remember I'm in California so don't assume I've remembered this right, then some sort of piece like this is what you want.

The Civilian/Matriarch blade type is pretty good, but remember that it's a slasher versus a sticker. Slashing is what an untrained person tends to resort to, which is why pure stabbing weapons such as sharpened screwdrivers, wood chisels and the like are so dangerous: in the hands of the incompetent, people will stab with 'em because there's no other option.

Stabs are what really shut people down fast.

There IS a way to slow somebody down with cuts, it involves going after tendons in order to remove somebody's ability to use the limb you target. It's Bram's favorite. Takes training and a calm head, but it does have some merit - and he doesn't use a forward-curved monster like the Civilian. His favorite as of last I checked was the Spyderco Gunting, which is a 3" plainedge folder.

If you're going to go with a folder, I'm convinced that the Benchmade AFCK with the Axis lock and D2 blade is the finest 4" class (3.95") folder available today. See also: http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html#K4

Jim March
Equal Rights for CCW Home Page
http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw
 
Ok, I have nothing against self-defense. I am all for it and I train for it. However, being pro-SD does not disqualify one from complying with a criminal. If it were a sure thing you get killed after you give your wallet up, of course it would be stupid not to fight. However, the odds are that you survive if you give your stuff up. Remember that stealing is a criminal's JOB. Do you put in as much time training to thwart an attacker as you do on your job? If not then it pays to think about what the chances are for a given situation.

All that said, I still stick by that not I or anyone else can tell you for sure what to do in any situation. There are too many variables. I can't even say for sure what I would do given a situation because of all the variables.

Stay safe, use your head, get training and make your own decisions based on all the information YOU have gathered. Don't believe anyone at their word. Take in everything they say and check it for yourself. THEN, can you start to decide what is right for you.
 
Alot of you guys can't say this because you guys aren't from New York.
InGearX

Look at my location. In New York there is a four inch limit on knives. From the way you talk you remind me of alot fo the guys that I grew up with. In my Boy Scout troop I would pull out a Gerber EZ out and would get a n answer along the lines of your reaction to the spyderco (Wow, I bet you could really f#ck someone up with that) etc. etc.) DOn't carry a knife as a weapon unless you are trained to use it. Waving it around will only land you in the City Jail on Riker's Island and if you are a teen, they have facilities for you guys too. I carry a knife as an everyday tool for cutting boxes, and living life. I'm guessing you are under 18. If you are not, Pepper Spray is a much better option. Less than lethal. You don't face down skells, you bounce when they come around. Awareness is the key. Don't wave knives either. THe more knives that are waved around the better chance that the City COuncil will put more restrictions on them and we have enough already. I think alot of the people here look at knives as a viable option because of the restrictions and the cultural taboo on guns. Look at a knife as a tool. If you want to be able to defend yourself, go to a training class. As a fellow New Yorker who knew many kids who stuck knives in their pockets and thought they were tough or could take care of themselves becasue of it, I recommend that you not follow their path. Good Luck with the Self Defense training. What section of Brooklyn are you in?
 
It's a mistake if you realay on Pepper Spray. I saw few times it has little effect on big ppl and on drunk ppl.
 
these guys are right if you want self defence get a brass handled walking cane, or get a stab vest and a pair of training shoes. above all, keep out of situations where you could be attacked. i spend alot of time in cities i just dont put myself in those situations. I carry a knife but as a tool, I would run rather than use it i would take a mild beating rather than use it. If I pulled it it would be because i thought either my or my fiancees life was in danger as a last resort. As soon as you pull a knife the situation gets 1000 times as serious, they might only have been planning on knocking you over grabbing your wallet and running but the instant you pull a knife it becomes life and death. You shouldnt make it into a life or death situation. The main part of delf defence is not to put yourself in that situation in the first place
 
My mate from the UK is correct. Recently a Brooklyn man defended himself with a knife and your District Attorney Howard Beach witch hunt Charlie Hynes wanted to throw him in jail. since they didn't have th eknife they couldn't prove if it was illegal.
 
Let's get real here.

Yes, if you pull a knife you'd DAMNED well better be willing and able to use it. Training is a GOOD thing. Mindset is even more critical. Basically, you must work out ahead of time what circumstances you'd be willing to kill somebody. In detail. You must not treat it as a "gray area" because hesitation will get you killed.

An effective goblin wants to leave you guessing as to his intent, and what level of force is warranted. If you counter-attack the instant he's given you cause, BEFORE he's "taken control of the situation", you're ahead of the curve.

Here's the good news: if lethal force is warranted on your part, and you pull cutlery with absolute determination, odds are he'll run off.

YOU MUST NOT COUNT ON THAT. You must not bluff. Paradoxically, it's that lack of bluff on your part that directly leads to the pitter-patter of goblin feet running away. Usually. If not, then somebody is gonna get geeked and if it's the other guy, it's his fault and not yours.

"Chase-offs" of this sort happen all the time, against both human and animal predators. In both cases, it's not so much the weapon that does it, it's your obvious will to fight. The weapon helps gives you that will, in some cases working without being drawn, without even being *seen* by anybody but yourself.

About two months ago, I was walking through a bad neighborhood and across the street, some dude was walking along with a little spaniel of some sort on a leash. Two large stray dogs charged them, trying to attack the smaller dog and starting to lunge at the guy too. I crossed the street at a dead run, pulling my Sifu as I came, and got between the two dogs and the guy/pup being attacked. I yelled over my shoulder for them to back up, while yelling at the dogs. They left. They had no clue what a Sifu was :) but that wasn't what drove 'em off.

I've done more or less the same thing with human predators twice now, and dogs three times so far. One idiot mugger with a crescent wrench backed down from a 4.5" AlMar folder, and in another case four lunatics with two claw hammers between 'em decided they didn't need to kill the guy I'd pulled away from 'em after all. That latter case actually saw the cops involved, and they had no problems with my putting my hand on a 5.5" sheathed folder...because of the range when they pulled the hammers, I held off drawing that time. I left the area after giving a statement, WITH my unconfiscated knife.

If I lived in NYC, I'd look for the best 4" (actually 3.95" for safety) fixed blade I could find. And I'd consider a top 4" class folder as a backup.

Jim
Equal Rights for CCW Home Page
http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw
 
At four inches the cops will haul you in. 3.9 is ok but four inches is the length that they are told to arrest the people. Thats the NYPD's interpretation of the law. The DA of where the subject lives is one Charles Hynes, he is a white guy that will make another white guy fry for the tiniest things so that he can prove himself to his non white supporters. He also HATES guns and knives and did not advocate pepper spray being legalized in the City (which it is thank God).
 
OK, fine, if it's 4" just sharpen the tip enough to get it down.

Most makers that sell a 4" knife are smart enough to get just under that for legal safety though.
 
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