HELP: Looking for a daily carry which is UK legal

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ResidentWeevil

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Hi all,
I need to find a good folder which has a folding blade (yup, an unlockable impending guilotine!) which is no longer than 3" in useable blade length.

Its primary use is "tactical", needs to be a thumping strong blade and rapidly deployable (if that is indeed a word).

so...
NO LOCKS! NOT DOUBLE EDGED! 3"!

I know most people's feelings about United Kingdoms laws on blades and shaprly pointed objects, but let us concentrate on working around the law of the land, rather than just declare the law idiotic or unworkable.

Is anything out there that would come to these standards? I cannot think about grinding off the blade lock on my CRKT Kaspar, as most knives that have good locks on them have very light springs that wouldn't hold em open on their own.

Warmest Regards
 
Second for the UKPK, it's a fantastic little knife and expressly designed for the UK's laws. Which, incidentally make anything you carry for 'self defense' an offensive weapon.
 
Thanx guys will have a look. Can you make some omore recomendations pls? I would like a drop point/false edge/tanto even better, as I am used to those designs.
 
What do you mean by Tactical? If you are a soldier or have other 'good reason' then you are allowed under section 139 to carry a fixed blade or a locking folder of any length.
 
If I was a soldier, I would carry a bloody big kukri and an even bigger gun.

I want a knife that could be used as a pry bar, a defensive/offensive piece under instant arming, looks after my camping needs, opens letters, packages, cuts thru nylon tape cords, opens staples, removes nails and glass from my tyre treads, cuts fishing lines, cuts fish, guts bunnies etc etc...everything that my Benchmade Elishewitz has done and the CRKT Kasper had done, but this time I want something that does all this LEGALLY.

I have never used a knife for a fight, but I make no bones about using one if the circumstances force it, so yes, tactical is good. most tactical blades seem to fulfill the above tasks better than an SAK, for me.

Hope that helps the suggestions. :D
 
I dont think you can carry anything in the UK thats :

ResidentWeevil said:
a defensive/offensive piece under instant arming,
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even if it is a non locking knife. I beleive that if you carry a banana with the intention of using it to hurt someone you are breaking the law here...

Your best bet is to look at the spyderco UK pen knife, a leatherman squirt, a non locking Victorinox or a small traditional style slipjoint like a case or something. I personally favour the SAK or leatherman squirt because they are multitools rather than knives, an important perceptive difference in this 'place'. The spyderco UK pen knife looks way too tactical for me here, especially after seeing the air guns the police parade as firearms every time they have a firearms amnesty.
 
bladefixation2 said:
Your best bet is to look at the spyderco UK pen knife, a leatherman squirt, a non locking Victorinox or a small traditional style slipjoint like a case or something.
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The UK Penknife is by far the best bet. It's so good that I prefer carrying it rather than one of my locking folders even though I can carry locking folders over here no problem. And the UK Penknife is *definitely* legal in the UK.

Hans
 
Do you look like a yob/scrote/Chav or other undesirable?

If the answer is no, then carry what you like and in the extremely unlikely chance that you will get stopped and searched, be polite and calm, you may alo want to learn this off by heart.


My good reason to carry a knife is that God gave me rather weak teeth and rudimentary claws in an evolutionary trade-off. The hairy-armed person who figured out how to put an edge on a suitable rock made it possible for us to be recognizably human in the first place. I wear a wristwatch whether or not I have an appointment to keep, and I carry a pen and/or pencil because I am a literate person whether or not I have a specific writing task ahead of me, and I carry a knife because I am a human and not an ape.

A knife comes in handy for all sorts of random tasks that involve separating matter. Like cutting a string, or making a sandwich, or opening a package. It can also come in handy in an emergency, which need not involve a human assailant, and emergencies are by their nature unforseen, so one should carry a knife all the time.

And in a perfect world where nobody needed a weapon, I'd probaby carry a slightly larger knife, because it wouldn't scare people

Its up to the copper that stops you how much further he wants to take it, and he will be so blown away with you eleoquent speach he will most likely agree with you.
 
Weevil: you are asking alot, probably too much, from a 3" non-locking blade knife. Logic tells me that no such thing exists. If you are willing to break the UK law the folks on this board can offer a host of suggestions. If you want something that complies with the law then we can offer the same. But please, ask for the possible. Sorry, I feel your pain.
 
Spyderco makes a great little folder with an S30V blade and G-10 handle specifically for the UK market. It is the only S30V slipjoint I've ever seen. In fact it isn't available here in the U.S. I know about it only because it was included in the Spyderco collector club shipments. I have one and it is quite nice. I'm sure you can get its name by logging into the forum on the Spyderco web site.
 
Knife Outlet said:
Spyderco makes a great little folder with an S30V blade and G-10 handle specifically for the UK market. It is the only S30V slipjoint I've ever seen. In fact it isn't available here in the U.S. I know about it only because it was included in the Spyderco collector club shipments. I have one and it is quite nice. I'm sure you can get its name by logging into the forum on the Spyderco web site.
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That's the UKPK everyone's been recommending.
 
Hi all,
I am STILL LOOKING.

How about this SVORD PEASANT KNIFE design, with a beefier gryptilian or Tanto-like blade? I think this spur might afford a wee bit more security, together with a big choil and thumb rest.

Any idea home much it would cost to have one similar, custom built??

I still hate the UKPK and I have about 3 Spyderco Prides which I carry on and off (the lack of choil, finger grooves makes it a bit dicey for forceful or slippy work).

Regards
Udhi
 
Hi Udhi
the Svord Peasant Knife has a blade longer than 3inches. I reckon you could reduce the length of the blade with some heavy sharpening, but as sold they are about 1/8 inch too long. Sturdy little blade though.
Phil
 
Hey Phil,
Thnx for the reply. I am not particualrly after the SVORD. I sent them a few emails and they did not reply, cannot be bothered pursuing :P

I am looking for a similar design with the spur which will afford quick one handed opening and probably help stop the blade folding under heavy use as well.

Looking for similar knives with a 3" blade. Or perhaps pointers to folder makers who might be able to knock me up a knife with a spur and some of the other features I am after?

Any ideas?

udhi
 
ResidentWeevil, the Svord Peasant Knife is what we call a "friction folder".

Look around for references to that and you may find some available, or find a knifemaker who can fix one up for you. They are extremely simple and strong -- a blade, a handle, a pivot pin, and that extension will open it fast and hold it closed. So you did come up with a good idea.

If you have one made for you, ask about a large pivot and perhaps heavy washers to protect the handle, so you can pry more effectively.
 
As for self-defense, we have a Practical Tactical forum where we discuss this sort of question. Knives as weapons are tricky, and controversial, even among the "experts". Dangerous, damaging, but probably not effective enough, fast enough to help, unless you are really good at this.

I would seriously consider an impact weapon or two, which are invisible to the law: a small strong flashlight and a metal pen.

This is not to denigrate the knife! It's a great tool to have around anyway and it can be a valuable adjunct to whatever self-defense skills and other equipment you have.
 
The knife you want does not exist. Tactical is a bad bad word in the UK, and don't ever carry anything that is marked up as tactical or defensive. Whether you have good reason or not, the fact you are carrying a knife that has been designed with combat in mind, you will only getmore hassle.

There is nothing wrong with the UKPK, it's perfect for UK EDC. Beefy blade, doesnt fold easily, G10 and fits the hand well. If you want a legal knife that is the most capable all round, you won't find better.

Although I have tactical knives in my collection, I would never EDC them in the UK, even though I have a valid reason to carry a locking folder at all times. I just use common sense and think about what I am ACTUALLY gonna use a knife for on any given day. You should not be thinking defensively if you want to stay on the right side of the law. Believe me.
 
Esav,
Thank You for the links and ideas. I will aproach the tactical guys for the blade pattern and then aproach the builders mentioned in your other two reference. People in the UK seem to be aghast at the idea of carrying tactical pattern blades.

Either I or the other UK readers seem have difficulties differentiating beween the terms TACTICAL and FIGHTING. I dont want a fighting knife, I want a strong mulitpurpose knife and for me, the best examples derive from military patterns.....I hope that makes sense.

Knuckles - I hope the above makes sense. The reason the knife doesnt exist, is because a mook like me did not come along and ask for it :P

I take your point re the definition of an offensive weapong: MADE INTENDED OR ADAPTED to be a weapon, etc. I am looking for something tough as nails.

The knife is not going to be tactical looking - no camo, "deathdealer MK2" on the blade, knuckle guards, rear spike, or an engraving of all the death points of the human body, on the scales.

the design at this moment:
It will be a stain finish or TiNi coated blade, ali/stainless/G scales heavily chequered along top, bottom and sides, a pronounced choil. 3" blade, 3mm+ in thickness good tough steel, no fancy grinds, completely dismantles to allow maintenance, from Esav's advice - a beefy pin and washers (phosphor bronze)

Warmest Regards
Udhi
 
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