Help me Choose Photo Equip

My suggestions seem to go counter to the current of this thread but I will give them anyway.

I did photography for a multi-national corporation who's owner is a cheap 'tard. My photographs were used for all of the magazine ads and promotional materials. My 'professional' setup was a Canon Digital Rebel and two temp corrected screw in bulbs from B&H and umbrellas, oh yeah, and a lot of Styrofoam.

Although I did plenty of photoshop work afterwards the native images were still taken with a Rebel and only after quite a bit of 'wheel squeeking' were we able to get a 60mm macro prime lens. For years all of the photos were done with the crappy 18-55mm zoom (which was worth maybe $50 and has been much much improved currently).

My point is, you really don't need anything over the most basic dSLR. Live view is probably a nice feature but isn't really needed as the digitals allow you to snap a pic then look at the set up on the back. If you need more detail then the small display can provide just plug the camera into a TV and watch the feedback from it.

A 50mm prime will get you all the optical quality of any of the >$1500 zooms. If you need to get in closer buy a set of extension tubes.

Technique can very much so make up for equipment.
 
Listen to what Lunde said!!!

...and it doesn't have to be expensive...

The following pics are all shot with an Olympus E-510 plus ZD35 f3.5 macrolens (Total cost less than 500USD) Great kit!!
I happen to like Olympus' pictures for digital

In the "filmdays" I used to be a Nikon man (F4s)


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If anyone here has'nt looked @ Lunde's wallpaper page , you'd know well enough to listen to the man when he tells you how to take the best photographs. ,,,,,, nuff said ......
 
For my own benefit, I want to go through Ken's points and see where I stack up on them one by one.

1) A good lens, such as a dedicated macro lens. When I take serious knife photos, I prefer to use my Nikkor 60mm Micro lens. This lens has been with me for over six years, and has transcended four bodies (D100, D200, D80, and D300). I cannot say enough good things about this lens. I paid about $400 for it.

I have a Canon 50mm prime macro lens, and despite its optical clarity, I find it has two disadvantages. 1) One must position the camera quite far from the subject in order to frame an entire knife. This requires space, or a step stool to not reduce the viewing angle, which then means a different light tent. 2) The lack of zoom means I have to move the camera and tripod back and forth in order to frame shots, much more annoying than zooming in and out. If I can get close to the optical clarity of a prime lens with a good zoom lens, the convenience factor of the zoom means it wins out.

2) Good lighting. Photography is all about capturing light, and if your lighting sucks, so will you photos, no matter how good your equipment is. Technique can overcome poor lighting to some degree. I use a Lowel "TO GO 98" Tungsten Light Kit (#GO98Z), which has 1750 total watts, and includes two Omni lights (that I use on the side) and one Tota light (that I use overhead through the use of an umbrella reflector that diffuses it).

I use 3-point diffused lighting as well, but I think I could use a lighting upgrade. I used to use blue daylight spectrum photo bulbs, but I switched to CFLs when they ran out. The CFLs run daylight (5500k) also, but run cooler (I can put them closer to the tent) and run much longer (less cost, less replacing of bulbs). But they also don't have quite the light output that I would like. My old photo bulbs were 250 or 500 watts, these CFLs are 100 watts.

Question: What might be a good lighting upgrade for me in terms of putting new bulbs in my lamps? My sockets are rated to 500 watts.

3) Instant feedback from the camera. The read LCD with histograms help to some degree, but I prefer to use Nikon Camera Control Pro 2, which is an application that interacts with the camera. The photos are taken by clicking a button in the application, and the image is transferred directly to the computer for immediate viewing, and bypasses the camera's memory card. I know in an instant whether I need to retake the photo. Nikon includes a fully-function thirty-day trial version with their digital SLRs. The application costs just under $100, if memory serves. I like this better than LiveView, though LiveView works with this technique.

I don't think I'm ready for straight-to-screen shooting, mainly because I don't want to move my computer. I don't know how to read histograms either, so even the LCD info doesn't help me. I'd love to learn how to read a levels graph, to know whether to bump up exposure compensation, for example, and retake the shot. I also don't mind my current technique of taking a bunch of shots from different angles, then culling them at the computer screen. I always have a bunch I like, and rarely need to go back and retake more shots.

Question: Can someone give me a short paragraph lesson on how to read a levels graph?

4) Use an ExpoDisc to set the white balance. Getting the white balance correct is rather critical, and one of these helps a lot.


What's an ExpoDisc? I currently use a grey card to set custom white balance. I don't understand why you think WB is critical. My custom WB setting gets pretty close, and I can correct the rest with Photoshop. I tend to use the "Remove Color Cast" feature in Elements until I see the right color and WB. Never felt like having a slightly off WB at the shot level took any detail away from the corrected picture, but I'm open to hearing why you think so.

Question: Why is getting the white balance correct at the shot-level so critical, and what is an ExpoDisc?

5) Shoot in RAW, not JPEG. In some cases, JPEGs may look better, but if you need to correct some aspects of the image, such as white balance, it is trivial when using RAW, but can become an impossible task in JPEG.

Yep, I finally figured that out this year. After comparing jpegs and RAW shots of the same knife, side by side, with all the same settings, the RAW shots had noticeably more detail. I still don't know how to adjust pictures in RAW mode, however. When I pull up the RAW shot in Elements it gives me a chance to adjust all kind of things before producing the image, but I don't know what any of those sliders do.

Question: How does one adjust, say, white balance, in RAW mode, before processing the image? How about levels?

6) A good post-processing application. There are lots of good choices out there. I happen to use Lightroom.

I agree. Would Elements make your cut? That's what I use, and it's indispensable to good final shots.

You'll notice that I didn't mention any specific camera, mainly because most modern digital SLRs will work fine for the purpose you described. The four points above are likely to result in better photos, as opposed to the choice of camera.

I agree. Thanks for the tips, Ken. Hope you don't mind answering some questions, lol.
 
OK, learned some things so I though I would share. A macro lens, although nice, is not necessary for good knife shots as mentioned above by a couple folks, and, in fact, could be a hindrance in 1) the distance it may need from the subject, and 2) they tend to have less depth of field, which is not good for shots where the knife is at an angle. The best lens seems to be a zoom in the approximately 18-55mm range. Why? The wide angle (18-25 or so) is useful for working close to the table yet framing an entire fixed blade, the zoom is handy for framing shots without having to move the camera or tripod back and forth, and the zoom range is not so large that one sacrifices too much optical clarity.

Right now my priority is sharp focus. The lens that has been recommended to me, which I'm going to try, is the Canon 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS US lens. Not sure what the IS gives me since I'm using a tripod, but what do I know about these things.

I'll pair it with a SLR with Live View, just to make framing easier, and find an SLR with a 2 sec timer.
 
If you are using a tri-pod, make sure you turn the image stabilization on the lens off. IS will actually interfere if the camera is perfectly still.
 
Balislinger, you wrote:
I have a Canon 50mm prime macro lens, and despite its optical clarity, I find it has two disadvantages. 1) One must position the camera quite far from the subject in order to frame an entire knife. This requires space, or a step stool to not reduce the viewing angle, which then means a different light tent. 2) The lack of zoom means I have to move the camera and tripod back and forth in order to frame shots, much more annoying than zooming in and out. If I can get close to the optical clarity of a prime lens with a good zoom lens, the convenience factor of the zoom means it wins out.
If you feel cramped with the 50mm focal length you must either be in a very cramped room, or you're photographing swords. If you use a zoom lens, I suggest that you gravitate toward the longer focal lengths, because most of the distortions, whether or not they are subtle, occur at the shorter focal lengths.

I use 3-point diffused lighting as well, but I think I could use a lighting upgrade. I used to use blue daylight spectrum photo bulbs, but I switched to CFLs when they ran out. The CFLs run daylight (5500k) also, but run cooler (I can put them closer to the tent) and run much longer (less cost, less replacing of bulbs). But they also don't have quite the light output that I would like. My old photo bulbs were 250 or 500 watts, these CFLs are 100 watts.

Question: What might be a good lighting upgrade for me in terms of putting new bulbs in my lamps? My sockets are rated to 500 watts.
The amount of light and the color is actually not the issue, because the exposure and white balance settings take care of that. But, I do recommend that you use the same bulbs, for consistent lighting. Nothing messes up white balance more than inconsistent lighting. Also, be aware of the surroundings, meaning the color of the walls and ceiling, which can influence the lighting. When photographing Satin blades, the positioning of the lights can influence the look and feel of the reflection. It can be tough.

I don't think I'm ready for straight-to-screen shooting, mainly because I don't want to move my computer. I don't know how to read histograms either, so even the LCD info doesn't help me. I'd love to learn how to read a levels graph, to know whether to bump up exposure compensation, for example, and retake the shot. I also don't mind my current technique of taking a bunch of shots from different angles, then culling them at the computer screen. I always have a bunch I like, and rarely need to go back and retake more shots.

Question: Can someone give me a short paragraph lesson on how to read a levels graph?
I use a laptop, so it is very easy to place my computer close to the camera, and connect them via a USB cable. Being able to see the image on a large screen, with the ability to zoom in to detect a rogue piece of lint that is covering a logo or lettering (and thus difficult to "heal" as a post-process), is a huge benefit. It is also useful for checking to make sure that the focus was set correctly, and that the depth-of-field was adequate. Much of this can be done using the real LCD of the camera, especially if it is high-definition with the ability to zoom.

About interpreting a levels histogram, the best way to explain it is to think of it as a mountain or hill, and that the ideal histogram looks like a hill that starts on the left, and ends at the right, meaning that there is little or no "flat" areas on either side. If there is a significant "flat" area on the right, it means that the photo was underexposed. Being able to interpret these is like an art, and I am still learning.

What's an ExpoDisc? I currently use a grey card to set custom white balance. I don't understand why you think WB is critical. My custom WB setting gets pretty close, and I can correct the rest with Photoshop. I tend to use the "Remove Color Cast" feature in Elements until I see the right color and WB. Never felt like having a slightly off WB at the shot level took any detail away from the corrected picture, but I'm open to hearing why you think so.

Question: Why is getting the white balance correct at the shot-level so critical, and what is an ExpoDisc?
If you're currently using a grey card to set white balance, then you're all set, and probably have no need for an ExpoDisc. An ExpoDisc is a special filter that is used for the same purpose as a grey card. The camera is pointed toward the object that is to be photographed, the ExpoDisc is placed over the lens, and then the white balance is set. It effectively diffuses the incoming light and creates a "grey card" effect. In the past, some people used an original Pringle's lid for similar purposes.

Getting the white balance correct at shot time can save time later on. The more "off" it is, the more time you will spend getting it right. When shooting in JPEG, getting it right later on can become quite tedious.

Yep, I finally figured that out this year. After comparing jpegs and RAW shots of the same knife, side by side, with all the same settings, the RAW shots had noticeably more detail. I still don't know how to adjust pictures in RAW mode, however. When I pull up the RAW shot in Elements it gives me a chance to adjust all kind of things before producing the image, but I don't know what any of those sliders do.

Question: How does one adjust, say, white balance, in RAW mode, before processing the image? How about levels?
I am glad to hear that. About making adjustments to RAW files, it depends on the application and its workflow. I no longer use Photoshop for this, but I know that its early workflow for RAW files required that the white balance be set during import. I have been using Lightroom for a couple of years, and its support for RAW files is more seamless in that adjusting the white balance is merely just another operation that can be done at any time.

I agree. Would Elements make your cut? That's what I use, and it's indispensable to good final shots.
Any of the Photoshop products are good choices, meaning Photoshop CS4, Photoshop Elements, or Photoshop Lightroom. They mainly differ in their workflow. If you're happy with Photoshop Elements, stick with it. Like any tool, knowing its strengths and weaknesses, and learning how to take advantage of the former and work around the latter is golden.

Thanks for the tips, Ken. Hope you don't mind answering some questions, lol.
Sorry for the delay in replying. I got sidetracked.
 
I also wanted to add that a good tripod makes a big difference. I used a cheap pan/tilt one at first, then went to something closer to a ball head. I now use a real ball head, and a quality tripod, and positioning the camera has never been easier. I paid well over $1000 for the tripod with ball head, but it was worth it. The tripod is a Gitzo G1325 Mk2 Mountaineer Inter-Pro Studex CF Tripod w/Flat Plate (I paid $557.95), and the ball head is a RRS BH-55 LR (B2 AS II) Ballhead (I paid $455.00). The camera is secured to the ball head via an L-Plate. This allows the camera to be set in portrait or landscape orientation with it on top. Basically, it provides a substantial dovetail on the bottom of the camera (for landscape) and on its left side (for portrait).
 
Thanks. Ken! :thumbup: Looks like I'm on the right track.


Many guys here may know what they are talking about and they may be great at taking photos.

But I'm 100% sure Ken does know what he is doing and personally I save myself a lot of time and just ask Ken what I should get. (Oh and the guy that takes the nature photos "Ev....."?)

They have never let me down in about three years worth of asking questions.:cool: :thumbup:

And again I'm not saying anyone else that posted here is in any way wrong.

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OK I went with the Canon 40D with the 18-55 IS lens. I ran into two problems with my upgrade. One, I found out the 40D doesn't auto-focus in live-view mode. Wish I had know that, I might have looked for a camera that can. At least it can zoom which makes focusing manually easier. The other issue was that my version of Elements would not read the 40D's RAW files, so I had to upgrade my Elements.

Other than that, the camera and lens take better pictures than my previous set-up. The focus is already sharper, which was the main thing I needed, but the image quality is better as well. Also, the live-view feature, along with the 2sec timer, are very much appreciated.

I wish the lens had more zoom. At some point I may try a lens like that and see if I notice a loss of image quality.

Glad I "upgraded." Now it's time to sell the old stuff . . .

Here's a couple pics I took with the new camera and lens. This is shooting in small jpeg, not RAW.

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George - I know we've discussed this before but I think you should just supplement the 18-55 lens like with something longer such as a 70-200. I have the 70-200 2.8 IS but I've owned the Sigma 70-200 2.8 macro and they both really are great lenses.
There's so many options out there though but I can almost guarantee that if you go with something longer like the 28-135, Sigma 17-70 or what not you'll lose some image quality, if you pixel peep.
The Canon 24-70L is a truly great option too but it's considerably more money than the 18-55 IS.
Decisions decisions!
I also sent you a PM, AF during Live View on the 40D is possible...
 
Thanks, Mike! With your help I figured out auto-focus in live view. It does a surprisingly good job, only losing some sharpness when these three circumstances converge: Picture has a lot of different subjects, I'm shooting from a distance, and auto-focus is set to total averaging. If I'm close in, and centering on the thing I want the sharpest, it nails it every time. I guess I should switch my focus to center spotting as opposed to total averaging, and just center on what I want the sharpest. Thoughts?

And as for my sharpening setting. I think 7 is the highest, and the pictures above were shot on 5. I've bumped it up to 6 for the next round. If it saves me that extra Photoshop step. I'm all for it.
 
Thanks, Mike! With your help I figured out auto-focus in live view. It does a surprisingly good job, only losing some sharpness when these three circumstances converge: Picture has a lot of different subjects, I'm shooting from a distance, and auto-focus is set to total averaging. If I'm close in, and centering on the thing I want the sharpest, it nails it every time. I guess I should switch my focus to center spotting as opposed to total averaging, and just center on what I want the sharpest. Thoughts?

And as for my sharpening setting. I think 7 is the highest, and the pictures above were shot on 5. I've bumped it up to 6 for the next round. If it saves me that extra Photoshop step. I'm all for it.

Auto focus is never set to a total average. When you have all focus points engaged, the camera will simply auto focus on the subjects with the most contrast. It's up to you to choose your focus point and subject and then your f-stop to get enough depth of field.
Here's a couple good articles on DOF:
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/depth-of-field.htm
http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
Use the focus point that is best for your picture, sometimes it's the center AF point, other times it will be a different focus point. But I recommend that you do not let the camera choose (IE engage all AF points).
If you do use center af point and center that on what you want the subject, then the subject alignment to the sensor and the f-stop comes in to play. If you take the Microtech picture, the knife is not parallel to the sensor and the f-stop will not and probably can not, be small enough to have the whole knife acceptably sharp. Keep in mind too that diffraction will start to play a role in critical sharpness usually at or above f11/f16 or so.
Sharpening is an opinion. I usually use 3 or 4 and things are acceptably sharp. You should view the picture at 100% using Digital Photo Professional (the included software, which by the way, is GREAT) and then apply the sharpening that you see fit and try to tie that back to your camera settings. Sometimes 6 may be too much but it all depends on the picture!
 
Cool. I'll switch to center AF. I normally shoot at f8, unless the subject is completely parallel to the sensor. At steep angles I shoot at F10-F13. Your argument for using center AF makes sense. Choose the part of the subject you want the sharpest, and then choose the appropriate aperture to bring the rest into focus.
 
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