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Help me choose...

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by JOHNQPUBLIC1957, Nov 2, 2019.

  1. JOHNQPUBLIC1957

    JOHNQPUBLIC1957

    51
    Jan 26, 2015
    Looking at either the Benchmade Presidio ll or the Spyderco Shaman. Which would you choose as a tactical backup to your Primary Carry weapon ?
     
  2. Ourorboros

    Ourorboros

    595
    Jan 23, 2017
    Not claiming to know about knife fighting, but I like the odds of opening with a big thumb hole over a thumb stud
     
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  3. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

    763
    Aug 29, 2019
    I like the Spyderco Shaman better but that comes with a caveat. Folding knives aren't great for self defense. I realize that this is a backup and I'm assuming that you carry a firearm. So hopefully, we are talking about something you'll never be in a position to need. Just in case you ever do, fixed blades are generally a much better option.

    I choose folding knives based on their normal EDC cutting utility, ergonomics, joy of use, etc. Prioritizing defensive capability can mean sacrifices in those other areas, and it feels like a waste. Can you carry a small fixed blade? If possible, you could carry a defensive fixed blade and keep your pocket knife for normal cutting tasks. You could also look at fixed blades that will do it all and with the right retention system, you'll free up some pocket space.
     
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  4. Cosmodragoon

    Cosmodragoon

    339
    Jan 1, 2019
    I've got to agree. Folding knives aren't great for self defense. Look at it this way. You carry a gun for self defense. That is the best defensive tool you can carry. So let's think about why you'd need a backup. Besides malfunction, it's going to be situations in which you either can't get to your firearm or you can't safely draw it.

    For instance, you might have an attacker right on top of you. You might be pinned down in a way that prevents you from reaching or properly drawing your firearm. The reality is that defensive encounters can be messy. This is the time when you might need to grab a secondary tool. So ask yourself, is that the time when you want to fish something out of a pocket and try to open it properly?

    Some of the same concepts for defensive carry and gun holsters will apply here. You want something with a fixed position, good retention, and a quick draw. Some members of law enforcement carry belt knives for such cases. A classic example is when a bad guy grabs at their holstered gun. They need a “get off of me” tool and a small fixed blade can be just that.
     
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  5. mycough

    mycough

    May 20, 2007
    Back up to primary? Sig p365. I would run before I presumed to try to defend myself with a knife. I do have a few Zt folders that i could throw at an attacker that would leave quite a mark.

    Russ
     
  6. eveled

    eveled Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 11, 2016
    Consider a Ka-BAR TDI, It’s a good backup last ditch get off me knife.
     
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  7. abcdef

    abcdef

    Oct 28, 2005
    Spyderco is on the right track. Do searches for either a Lava or Poliwog for a solid backup.
     
  8. gazz98

    gazz98 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 3, 2008
    I'll vote Shaman. Spydie hole opening is a plus.
     
  9. Henry Beige

    Henry Beige Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    +1 on the Spydie hole for your backup blade.

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  10. Edgeoflife

    Edgeoflife Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 11, 2018
    Presuming this is the intended use referenced above, an OTF would be my choice if it HAS to be a folding knife otherwise I agree with the above about a small fixed blade. Maybe a boot knife, or necker also.
     
  11. Velitrius

    Velitrius Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Not a knife fighter, so I'm just addressing the tool aspect of these two.

    I'm not a fan of the hole opener thing, but if you are then the opening method might help you decide.

    I like the deep carry clip on the Presidio. It's tip up only though, so if you are a tip down kinda guy, then you might appreciate the Shaman as it allows for both methods.

    The handle material might give you some thought. If you prefer metal handles, the Presidio offers anodized aluminum. If you are not a fan of metal handles, the Shaman is the way to go. There's a sprint run of the Shaman with micarta scales and Cru-Wear that might appeal to you.

    The Benchmade Axis lock and Spyderco Compression lock are both very good, but different enough in operation that you might find a definite preference for one over the other.

    For your purposes, I would say that getting your hands on both and handling them would be your best method of choosing.
     
  12. ScooterG

    ScooterG You mean Ireland? Yeah, it’s mine. Platinum Member

    Mar 15, 2016
    Practically Tactically speaking, I’d do a waved Emerson of some sort in the back left pocket, assuming you can only carry a folder, are right handed, and have a firearm somewhere on that strong side.
     
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  13. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

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    Aug 29, 2019
    I've seen this knife discussed around the web for exactly the use described by Cosmodragoon. Note the lock/release mechanism on the sheath. Only a few of their models use it. I really like that idea. This is something that I feel is lacking from a lot of knife sheaths.

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  14. Yo Mama

    Yo Mama

    Sep 25, 2011
    The tdi is a great blade, I prefer the smaller version
     
  15. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

    763
    Aug 29, 2019
    Another small fixed blade with a decent retention system is "Le Duck" from Outdoor Edge. It's really excellent for horizontal carry along the belt line, especially under a gentleman's Dunlop. (I've carried one extensively.) I know 8Cr13Mov isn't the worst but I do wish it was available in better steel for utility applications.

    I didn't see a picture that did it justice so here is a video from Cutlery Lover.

     
  16. K.O.D.

    K.O.D. Sanity Not Included Platinum Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    I completely agree. OTF FTW.
     
  17. BitingSarcasm

    BitingSarcasm

    Feb 25, 2014
    You wouldn't even need to open them first. I like my 0350, but it's never going to be called a lightweight.
     
  18. Ripcord 82

    Ripcord 82

    628
    Feb 15, 2019
    There is an old saying." Never take a knife to a gunfight".;)
     
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  19. Wolverine666

    Wolverine666 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 7, 2009
    Out of the choices , I’d go for the Shaman DLC.
     
  20. JOHNQPUBLIC1957

    JOHNQPUBLIC1957

    51
    Jan 26, 2015
    Thanks guys , after reading some of your post I’m starting to rethink what has been said here. I now think the idea of a small 3 in. Fixed blade knife makes better since.... Thanks again to all....
     
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