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[Karda]

Noss's tests are a stupid kind of fun to watch, but not much more.

Very aptly put. It does this:

 

[Karda]

So Buck was a shyster?

Well, if that makes buck a "shyster"...what does the things noss4 does make him?

 

[orthogonal1]

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As for the rest of your rant.....it is typical of knifetest supporters with nothing real to contribute.

Yah awl might want to follow that there advice, since your spewl is typical knifetest biggotry. You offer nothing of value; no support, no data, no useful critique.

 

[orthogonal1]

Well, if that makes buck a "shyster"...what does the things noss4 does make him?

Buck sold products, Noss4 merely runs products through his testing protocol. If Buck was misrepresenting a demonstration intended to increase sales, that would be the action of "shyster".

Your obvious biggotry set aside, of course.

 

[gajinoz]

Is this nonsense still going on?

Has anyone else noticed that these arguments about noss and his "tests" are much like the religious arguments that spring up on BF from time to time?

Both pointless, both futile and both descend into personal insults almost instantly.

Do either of them have any redeeming features?


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[Karda]

Yah awl might want to follow that there advice, since your spewl is typical knifetest biggotry. You offer nothing of value; no support, no data, no useful critique.

Where did i offer advice?
Actually i've quite a useful critique in the other thread HERE, much of it has been mentioned before in many other threads and has been ignored by the "knifetesters" in favor of making more videos, presumptions and controversy.

Buck sold products, Noss4 merely runs products through his testing protocol. If Buck was misrepresenting a demonstration intended to increase sales, that would be the action of "shyster".

Your obvious biggotry set aside, of course.

Merely, huh?.....
Ol' noss is sellin' y'all something, Some people just have yet to figure out what it is. Buck was open about that demonstration, there was no misrepresentation. Perhaps yourself, noss and the whole knifetest clan should do a bit more reading, research and investigation of facts and less trolling and pseudo testing? I notice you didnt mention the links i provided for buck and mr. richtig.

 

[orthogonal1]

Where did i offer advice?
Actually i've quite a useful critique in the other thread HERE, much of it has been mentioned before in many other threads and has been ignored by the "knifetesters" in favor of making more videos, presumptions and controversy.



Merely, huh?.....
Ol' noss is sellin' y'all something, Some people just have yet to figure out what it is. Buck was open about that demonstration, there was no misrepresentation. Perhaps yourself, noss and the whole knifetest clan should do a bit more reading, research and investigation of facts and less trolling and pseudo testing? I notice you didnt mention the links i provided for buck and mr. richtig.

Who is this "effer" poster? And why do you appear to think the indicated post has any material weight as to the issue of your obvious biggotry troward Noss4?

Further, if these suggestions are yours, then where are your tests? Get out of the chair and do something.

Where do I paypal Noss4 and what do I get? If Buck stated to the affect that he was using softer than conventioal bolts, I don't recall reading of such. However, if he was he was being dishonest. It is a simple concept.


I guess you didn't read "But that is immaterial anyway. Did or did these people not pound their knives through metal objects to show some superiority? Yes, they did." Or was it simply a lack of comprehesion on your part?

I don't know about this "clan" you mention, but you seem to assume more than you have reason to. Perhaps you might wish to do more reading, research and investigation yourself.

And I have yet to see anyone prove the various ratings of Noss4 are incorrect given his arbitrarily chosen apparent criteria of desireable traits. Proving such should apparently be a trivial issue apparently - based upon the various ad nauseum discussions by the Noss4-ophobes.

And what are these facts you allude to? All you do is make more conclusionary statements of personal opinion, without even a test of a single sample to back up the statements - yet you argue like you have some factual basis to prove the conclusions of Noss4 wrong.

 

[ono724]

My primary beef with Noss is that his ideal knife is one that he can use as a crowbar.

While I have no problem with the fact that this is what he wants in a knife, I do have a problem with his trumpeting forth that any knife that cannot be so used is worthless. There are many fellas who don't know any better than to believe this as gospel. It does a disservice to the knife community by promoting "sharpened crowbars" at the expense of knives that are useful to the vast majority of us.

My secondary problem is that he calls it "testing". Nonsense. Without controls, without reproducibility, whatever is done cannot be called "testing".

Well, I'd have to say, that any person who believes that any knife that can't be used as a crowbar is worthless shouldn't be using a knife in the first place

 

[mat_890]

I always love these types of threds

Regardless of whether you like him or not, he offers something better then what some random armchair critic does. His 'tests' are not scientific (who the hell expects them to be) but they show valuable info on knives. Watching a vid of a knife blade just breaking off when hitting brick shows that particular knife is capable of. You may say whatever you want "knives arn't for hitting bricks" "abuse!!" but I want my tools to do what their told, NOT what YOU tell them to do.

Also while there is always some bias, there is much less then currently exists on bladeforums.

In the Busse forum we have fanboys who have never used the knife once endlessly going on about how tough it is.
In the ESEE forums we have fanboys not affiliated to the company actively devote their lives bitching people out who damage their knives...even by accident.
In the spyderco forum we had 20-30 fanboys people jump on a guy who's folder failed as if spyderco cannot have a defect.
In the Becker forum a huge group of fans rationalized how screws falling out of the knife handle as operator error and not a manufacturer error.

Even though these forums are heavily bias they are still useful for a person looking to buy a knife, so are destruction tests.