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Help on small defensive production fixed blades
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Hey Boink ,
I like the NRGS by Newt Livesay for this role check it out her
http://newtlivesay.com/NL-neck_knives.htm
Stay Sharp,
Wali
I like the NRGS by Newt Livesay for this role check it out her
http://newtlivesay.com/NL-neck_knives.htm
Stay Sharp,
Wali
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Originally posted by Boink
If you were forced to give one up, which one would you keep?
I would keep the Pentagon.
I love the knife better by itself, but I like the SOG best with the Survival Sheath sheath.
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Outdoor Edge is producing a version of Neil Blackwood's small hybrid. I have Neil's version and it is an excellent fixed blade edc/defensive knife.
I'd take an Fallkniven, because their knives have a great functional design and Ilike the VG-10 steel.
I have a WM-1. It's a great knife. I never had another on which you can switch that fast from regular t reverse grip position and in each position you can hold the kinfe completly secure in the hand. The problem would probably be, that the blade geometry is not really the best for stabing and the blade is not very long (about 2.8").
I don't have the Fallkniven dagger you mentioned, the G1. but I saw one. The handel is very thin so if you have big hands, perhaps you can't hold it very thight. Of cause the dagger blade is better for stabing.
Finaly, I'd say, that you'd run better with the WM-1, because you can use this as an real EDC and work with it, what you can't do with an dagger.
I have a WM-1. It's a great knife. I never had another on which you can switch that fast from regular t reverse grip position and in each position you can hold the kinfe completly secure in the hand. The problem would probably be, that the blade geometry is not really the best for stabing and the blade is not very long (about 2.8").
I don't have the Fallkniven dagger you mentioned, the G1. but I saw one. The handel is very thin so if you have big hands, perhaps you can't hold it very thight. Of cause the dagger blade is better for stabing.
Finaly, I'd say, that you'd run better with the WM-1, because you can use this as an real EDC and work with it, what you can't do with an dagger.
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Hey Boink,
The edges on Newt's Knives are polished and very sharp, deceptively so due to the polished edge. If you want a rougher edge you can hit it up on a sharp-maker, or ceramic sticks. Here is a link to some of my pictures of them; http://www.selfdefenseforums.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=31599
Look at a few of these posts for pics & mini reviews
Stay Sharp,
Wali
The edges on Newt's Knives are polished and very sharp, deceptively so due to the polished edge. If you want a rougher edge you can hit it up on a sharp-maker, or ceramic sticks. Here is a link to some of my pictures of them; http://www.selfdefenseforums.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=31599
Look at a few of these posts for pics & mini reviews
Stay Sharp,
Wali
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Hey Boink,
Keating in his drawpoint video series gives examples of a number of knives as possibilities all of which are good. The gryphon is one his favorites and one he still recomends to people at his seminars & even as recently as a couple of weeks ago when I talked to him.
In terms of handle materials, i.e. rubbery or zytel, ones concern should be a) does it fit your hand well & b) is it a secure grip or is it slippery. I assume from your post that this is meant as a EDC and therefore as a possible self defense tool in which case my main concerns with a handle would be a secure non slippery grip, find something that won't slip out of your hand when its wet (like with sweat or possibly something worse) as it is almost a foregone conclusion that your hand will be damp when & if you have to use it.
In regards to your sheath question, I have never seen a knifemaker, regardless of skill, who also makes a superb sheath. Whether it is a different skill set or whether its a matter of them not spending the time I do not know. However if you want to use Keating's drawpoint system or any other for that matter, once you decide on a knife you will have to send it out for a custom sheath either to river city sheathes, on scene tactical or survival sheathes. All 3 make excellent sheathes depending on your style and mode of carry.
take care and stay safe
Keating in his drawpoint video series gives examples of a number of knives as possibilities all of which are good. The gryphon is one his favorites and one he still recomends to people at his seminars & even as recently as a couple of weeks ago when I talked to him.
In terms of handle materials, i.e. rubbery or zytel, ones concern should be a) does it fit your hand well & b) is it a secure grip or is it slippery. I assume from your post that this is meant as a EDC and therefore as a possible self defense tool in which case my main concerns with a handle would be a secure non slippery grip, find something that won't slip out of your hand when its wet (like with sweat or possibly something worse) as it is almost a foregone conclusion that your hand will be damp when & if you have to use it.
In regards to your sheath question, I have never seen a knifemaker, regardless of skill, who also makes a superb sheath. Whether it is a different skill set or whether its a matter of them not spending the time I do not know. However if you want to use Keating's drawpoint system or any other for that matter, once you decide on a knife you will have to send it out for a custom sheath either to river city sheathes, on scene tactical or survival sheathes. All 3 make excellent sheathes depending on your style and mode of carry.
take care and stay safe
I don't have one but I think you might want to check out the mini-Smatchet (I think either Boker or Gerber makes it--I don't remember). Jerry Van Cook did a review of one in a Tactical Knives magazine article and had favorable comments on the knife as a defensive piece.
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I came THIS CLOSE to buying both a Gryphon M-10 and a Falkniven WM-1, getting both so that I could compare in my hand and then decide. Then I weenied out and did nothing. Since the shipping was from CA and it would take a week or more, I then figured, whats the rush?
I want to thank all the kind people who are generously offering their genuine feelings about this type of knife.
Neil Blackwoods hybrid is definitely kick-*ss, as lots of folks know.
Fallkniven keeps popping up in my mind, due to the steel that many like and the Kraton or Kraton-like grip material.
Ill need to join Defenseforums in order to get to see the specific thread that was suggested. I didnt even know this site existed!
And yes, the sheath is paramount - on par 50/50 in importance with that of the knife. It gets you out of the starting gate. The best knife means zip if its inaccessible or stuck in your pants somewhere.
A smatchet is something I have never thought about, but Jerry Van Cook is someone to listen to.
Bud Nealy is another one of those choices I always seem to gravitate back to, but for some reason, havent gone for as yet. I do know he is responsible for training quite a few popular knife makers.
James P. does magnificent knife and sheath combinations. Theres a lot of thought behind the designs that are not readily apparent. True, its not everyones cup of tea. But I dont know any one knife maker who satisfies everyones taste.
I figured that video had it all worked out - Hey - Just get this knife, I approve of it. - Then you see all the others that might fit the bill better when you go to an on-line knife store.
I truly hope a knife show is around the corner. It always comes down to the personal experience with the knife. Even still, a lot of folks might remember getting a knife that feels on the money and then have reservations upon handling it over a period of time.
I find myself leaning toward a production knife. I have sufficient stock in a variety of high-dollar (for my pocketbook, anyway) customs and am feeling a backlash to the production arena. This should allow the credit card to cool for a while.
I want to thank all the kind people who are generously offering their genuine feelings about this type of knife.
Neil Blackwoods hybrid is definitely kick-*ss, as lots of folks know.
Fallkniven keeps popping up in my mind, due to the steel that many like and the Kraton or Kraton-like grip material.
Ill need to join Defenseforums in order to get to see the specific thread that was suggested. I didnt even know this site existed!
And yes, the sheath is paramount - on par 50/50 in importance with that of the knife. It gets you out of the starting gate. The best knife means zip if its inaccessible or stuck in your pants somewhere.
A smatchet is something I have never thought about, but Jerry Van Cook is someone to listen to.
Bud Nealy is another one of those choices I always seem to gravitate back to, but for some reason, havent gone for as yet. I do know he is responsible for training quite a few popular knife makers.
James P. does magnificent knife and sheath combinations. Theres a lot of thought behind the designs that are not readily apparent. True, its not everyones cup of tea. But I dont know any one knife maker who satisfies everyones taste.
I figured that video had it all worked out - Hey - Just get this knife, I approve of it. - Then you see all the others that might fit the bill better when you go to an on-line knife store.
I truly hope a knife show is around the corner. It always comes down to the personal experience with the knife. Even still, a lot of folks might remember getting a knife that feels on the money and then have reservations upon handling it over a period of time.
I find myself leaning toward a production knife. I have sufficient stock in a variety of high-dollar (for my pocketbook, anyway) customs and am feeling a backlash to the production arena. This should allow the credit card to cool for a while.
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Bud Nealey has two great systems and his specialty lately is small fixed blades for defense with multiple carry systems that can be finely adjusted.In the mar 2003 issue of TK mag there i an article on his newest collaberation with Ralph Mroz it's called the amoeba for it's unique handle shape.It is designed to be carried IWB and on the carry side with a gun.There is a link to it here on BF here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=233308&highlight=Mroz/Nealy .........R
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Hard to beat.
The original ATS34 Gryphon M10 has a total exposed blade length of 4 1/8" and a sharpened edge of 3.75". This may be of legal concern depending on locale. The handles were always made from injection molded zytel with excellent checkering pattern. This checkering is plenty secure but will allow for grip transitions without being sticky as rubber types. Additonally, if carrying concealed, rubber will literally grab ones clothing and will signal a "bump" in the waistband. Zytel has no such symptoms.
The full tang M10 is a natural for the reverse grip (and draw)with edge facing away as much as it is for modified sabre grip. The AUS8 on the current M10 makes it quite a bargain. Get one.
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The full tang M10 is a natural for the reverse grip (and draw)with edge facing away as much as it is for modified sabre grip. The AUS8 on the current M10 makes it quite a bargain. Get one.
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Is this the collaberation Neil spoke of? ............R