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A post in the knives wanted got me thinking. I sent a Pirela Trans Metal #9 of 10 in trade to fellow fourmite Panzer075 and some POS ripped it off and panzer received an empty box I'm out several hundred $$$ ( but at least it helped Keith get his Pronghorn;) I e-mailed the poster Horst in regards to the slim chance any one offers it for sale to him but if any one else happens to see it up for auction or for sale could you drop me a line. I Know its slim, its probabally in some punks back pocket comparing it to the flea market POS his skank girlfriend carries to cut warts off various body parts prior to intamite relations. But hey don't shoot don't score. By the way it was stolen from Southern Ontario ( etobicoke area), Willimington Ohio, or Latham N.Y. I went and ruled out the area closet to my residence (3hrs away) and investigated. They punk left the cert of auth. so they do not even know they have # 9 of 10 as it is not marked.
Sorry to rant :D Just the idea of of somebody using a knife I bought to carry on duty then felt that it was just to nice for EDC to be used by some a-hole cutting his stash burns me.
 
That really sucks, but that's the postal system at it's best :(

I do have a question though. If the scumbag left the letter of authentication, and the knife is not marked, how would you or anyone else identify the knife now?
 
Well, there are only ten of them, and the other nine are not likely to be offered for sale without the certificate....
 
The knife is actually marked. The serial number is on the inside of one of the liners. It is not easy to see, but it is there.

Sorry to hear of this happening to you Ken. That is a worry I have every time I send out a knife. So far my luck has held.

I will keep my eye out, but you are probably correct in assuming that it is not going to appear on the market.
 
With the appropriate documentation, why can't the Post office, and their Enforcement arm, track this Parcel from Point "A" to Point "B" and the one or two stops it made in between?

I just do not Understand WHY you and Panzer (who is my Buddy) are not crawling down the Postal Authoritie's Throats on this one. It's a "NO-BRAINER."

In light of all the safegards now in place, I can't understand why they cannot initiate an investigation and "narrow" down the "suspect list" if this is an INTERNAL POSTAL THEFT.

Our wonderful "Government" at work:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah, Yeah...The USPS is NOT a Governmental Agency....Baloney:rolleyes: ..........wolf
 
There have been a number of posts like this, detailing missing knives after deals are struck over the 'net. One in particular ballooned into a real slugging match here on GB&U, and then the knife "turned up" in the intended recipient's mailbox, weeks after he got his empty box. (I'm not suggesting anything by this, just stating the facts as I heard them.)

I'm wondering if there are people out there monitoring BFC, obtaining "real" member names and getting addresses (it's not that hard, believe me), and lying in wait at PO boxes when a shipment is expected. It sounds paranoid as hell, I'll admit, but it also seems plausible. If a scumbag knows someone in the next town over is about to receive a $300 item in his on-the-steet mailbox, it's not a huge leap to imagine that he would go try to make it his own.

Do any of those who have lost knives in this manner (receiving an empty box in the mail) have their full contact information in their profile, or have you posted it to the forum somewhere? Even if your forum username bears no resemblence to your real name, if you regularly "sign" your posts with your name, and your profile states you live in "Town, State", it wouldn't be a big deal to find out your street address.

Could it be we have semi-organized thieves monitoring BFC for trades they can intercept? At least in certain areas of the country? Even on a onesy-twosy basis?

-- PG
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
I can't understand why they cannot initiate an investigation and "narrow" down the "suspect list" if this is an INTERNAL POSTAL THEFT.
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In fact, that's how the system works, and I've seen it work. The problem is, with some three quarters of a million employees, USPS can't watch everyone all the time. We used to get something like ten million pieces of ordinary mail through New York City every day.

When a customer files a report on rifled mail, that report goes into a database that focuses attention on points at which a number of thefts may have taken place, and the Postal Inspectors then watch, or even leave 'bait' for the suspects.

But customers have to follow through with the information and not just shrug off the loss, even realizing that catching the probable thief may not solve the particular theft or return the property.

With especially valuable property, registered mail is much more secure, since each postal employee handling the individual piece, or even the pouch it travels in, must sign for it. If registry is too much trouble, consider Express Mail. This travels through a restricted system and moves so fast that there are fewer opportunities for thieves to target it.
 
Actually the knife was sent by Purolator courier. and according to a fellow at loss prevention that I spoke to, they claim that only a few hands touch the package, and that they were going to speak to some people, but there wasn't much that he could do until an actual claim was filed for a loss or theft. As far as someone laying in wait, the box was sent to my police station, and with all personal property or boxes sent to individual officers, it was locked up right after being signed for by the desk Sgt. untill I came into work later that day.
Good luck Ken, I am very sorry that this happened to you, and now that you have a claim filed I will call back and see if there is anything else that can be done.
Does anyone out there have any contacts inside of Airborne Express? that was the U.S. arm of the courier service.
 
I'm curious how you guys ship. I always use Priority Mail Insured. This is pretty fast, and the insurance makes me feel a lot safer. The PO generally requires a signature on this type of mail as well, so the chances of some scumbag taking it out of your mailbox are a lot lower.
 
As panzer said it went by Purolater courier leaving my place of biz. to a depot a few hrs away where I conducted my own investigation.Cleared that depot ( 8 employees only) Then leaving the info with the purlolater rent a cop interal security they investigated and advised me that their file is closed( they must of investigated 800 people in a day or two:rolleyes: After that it went to Peace bridge brokers in Ohio, then onto Airborne Express in Latham. This is the one I suspect. Panzer and wolfman can understaned; just that 6th sense this is where the deed was done.Some where in that litte corner of upstate Ny is my trans metal.
Thanks for the info on the s/n Keith beautiful knife you got there in that pronghorn.:)
Rant over Sorry:(

edited for spelling:p
 
Yeah, that sounds fairly paranoid, ParaGlock. :)

Let's try "becoming the enemy" (Musashi). You decide to take up a life of crime ... casting about for opportunity, you decide to read the exchange forums here every day ... hoping to find someone who'll be receiving a valuable package soon ... hoping you can find out who he is and where and when he'll be receiving it ... hoping you can gain access to his mailbox ... before he does ... without getting caught at it ... over and over until the package arrives ... without spending more on travel expenses than you could hope to gain ... it's a big world and Bladeforums members are scattered all over it....

Seems to me a clever fellow like you (or me) could probably think of a better way to find something valuable to steal ... valuable things are not all that rare.... :)
 
I always ship via USPS Priority Mail, with Delivery Confirmation, but I pretty much always have packages sent to me via "General Delivery". That way, I pick-up the package from my local Post Office on my way home from work, rather than have it sitting in my mailbox or near my front door, waiting to be ripped-off while I'm at work.
 
Sorry to hear that....

I will keep my eyes open in case I see something....

the number is in the inside of the liner so we can see if it pops out...

We've to sit and wait...

Take care,
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
Yeah, that sounds fairly paranoid, ParaGlock. :)
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Hehe...

I was thinking more along the lines of... Mr. LifeOfCrime is sitting there one evening, checking out the Internet, finds BFC (because to him a knife is a "tool of the trade"), and just reads along like others, getting information. Then he sees Mr. OrderOften posting about this great new knife he just ordered. Mr. OrderOften has a little tag under his username saying, "Phoenix, AZ", and always signs his notes, "Gary Gotbux". Mr. LifeOfCrime lives in AZ too, grabs a phone book, and sees that there's a Gary Gotbux on 1100 East Fudpucker Ave. Based on the dates that Mr. OrderOften (Gary) has kindly posted, Mr. LoC just drives by his mailbox a couple of times over a couple of days.

Like I said, I admit it does sound paranoid, but it also sounds like the kind of thing that can happen when you've got potentially MILLIONS of people reading this board. You never know how nutz someone can be, or what they think they can get away with.

Besides, how else would someone know that you had a knife in your mailbox on a certain date, unless it was the postal employee who put it there?

-- PG
 
Originally posted by ParaGlock
Besides, how else would someone know that you had a knife in your mailbox on a certain date, unless it was the postal employee who put it there?
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Of course, in this case, it turns out that it wasn't the US mail, anyway. And if it was, the letter carrier might not have known it was a knife, besides which, a carrier is really dumb to steal from his own route, where he is the prime suspect. And if the box was a good guess to be a knife, a clerk sorting the mail before the carrier saw it would also know, and could duck outside and go steal it.

Just so you all know ParaGlock isn't so paranoid after all, let me tell you a story about theft from the mail once in NYC. One of our customers called me to complain about mail disappearing from his mailbox. Now these boxes in Manhattan apartment buildings are locked. He asked the carrier if he had seen certain items, which he had, and had put them in the mailbox. So who could steal from a locked box?

I called the Postal Inspectors and to report the problem. The PI laughed and told me they just solved the case, and were bringing the thieves in. He took the customer's name and number, and called him to explain what happened.

A gang of thieves had gone to a hardware store, posing as contractors putting in mailboxes, and bought a large number of locks (these are pretty cheap, actually, only as few bucks apiece). They threw the locks away and kept the keys -- since these are cheap locks, there are a limited number of key patterns.

They then watched to see a carrier on his route, and went into buildings after he left, and tried out their keys on the boxes, noting which ones fit which boxes, which they thereafter checked out daily to see what looked worth stealing.

How did they get caught? A normal New York paranoid neighborhood resident noticed them hanging around, and ducking in after the carrier left, and he called the Inspectors. By the time my customer called me, they had just picked them up, after they'd been at it a couple of weeks.
 
This and a couple of posts in other threads are causing me to think maybe I didn't make myself entirely clear -- I don't imagine for a moment concern knives might be stolen in shipping is the least bit paranoid. That happens all the time.
 
In the case cited by Para, the Thief was NOT a Postal Employee, but a person in the neighborhood that KNEW the recipient handled LOTS of knives via the Mail. This case involved a cheap knife (Poor luck on the part of the scumbag). This Punk KNEW the Box had to contain a knife, so he grabbed it from the Mailbox, went home, removed the contents and CAREFULLY resealed the box. We ALL know how UGLY this became. But the actual investigation was one of the SIMPLEST ones I have ever been part of, and wished they all were so EASY

BOTH Parties in this deal (Pierela) are absolute HONEST, CREDIBLE Men, loaded to the gills with INTEGRITY.

I know Panzer very well. I am willing to wager, he is looking VERY CLOSELY at someone that KNOWS Panzer's addiction to FINE KNIVES.

This knife SHALL SURFACE and when it does, some IDIOT'S Career is going to end in an INDICTMENT.

The Book AIN'T closed on this one yet, and if I WERE the MORON who stole this knife, I would be calling Panzer CODE 3................Ira:( :(
 
Any news on this one? I am not hopeful that the knife will ever be found, but it sure would be great to find the slimy little crook that took it.
 
I wish my "Gut" would just shut up on this one. But for some reason, I keep 'picturing" someone VERY CLOSE to one of these FINE MEN as the THIEF.

if it's not the shipping service, I get this sinking feeling SOMEONE in the PD may have had a SMACK of stupidity and lifted what is clearly a COP'S DREAM KNIFE.

I PRAY I am VERY VERY VERY WRONG on this one and that SOMEONE working for the shipper is to blame. BUT DAMN, I keep picturing an "Inside Job" perpetrated by somebody who is now kicking themself in the arse and trying to figure out HOW to make things right without staring at the POINTING FINGER

Man, I hope I am full of SH*T:( :( :(
 
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