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Dimitros

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It is going to be kinda weird thread.
Situation: me, wanting to purchase otf knife, which is located in Liberty Hill, Texas shipped to adress in New Jersey or Delaware.
Problem: sellers afraid to post otf knife to these states, even though I already purchase automatics knives (switchblades) onto these addresses.
Solution: maybe I can find a bravier midleman who will help shipp this otf knife into my addresses in New Jersey or Delaware.
Addresses are non resedential, so no posession of this item by any individual in these states is guaranteed. The item will be shipped overseas.
I am desperately wanting this otf! And I hope you understand me, as we all here got this knifemania condition, when you want that same knife, want it badly.
Maybe there is someone in Liberty Hill, TX, who can help another BF member to shipp that otf?
 
I suggest you look up the laws of the state to which you want the knife shipped.

If otf or autos are prohibited, I think you are stuck. BF does not support violation of knife laws.

If the law allows them, then you should be able to show the seller .
 
But how come that one bf member can send me otf and ots knives and other can't.
I think it's more about will and common sence.
 
kreole said:
Ultimately it's the seller's decision. If they don't want to sell to you, you're just out of luck.
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Yeah, I also tend to think it is the main reason. 90% of sellers in automatics trade Forum will shipp lower 48 with no problems. But some just won't.
Can't understand why though.
 
There is still a Federal law prohibiting interstate commerce of automatic knives. Both the shipper and receiver can be charged for each knife shipped. Just because the Feds claim they are not enforcing that law currently, does not mean that they won't choose to enforce it in the future. Lots of people think "It won't happen to me" right up until it does. Do what you want, but don't get mad when someone is following the rules.

Read more here: https://kniferights.org/resources/federal-switchblade-act/
 
Is the address you are wanting to ship to (in NJ or Delaware) yours, or is it some freight forwarder that will then ship to you in Ukraine?

If the latter, then I can't blame them for not wanting to chance it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
SpyderPhreak said:
Is the address you are wanting to ship to (in NJ or Delaware) yours, or is it some freight forwarder that will then ship to you in Ukraine?

If the latter, then I can't blame them for not wanting to chance it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Good catch.
Using a freight forwarder makes proof of delivery difficult. A lot of sellers refuse to sell to a someone who uses a freight forwarder.
 
SpyderPhreak said:
Is the address you are wanting to ship to (in NJ or Delaware) yours, or is it some freight forwarder that will then ship to you in Ukraine?

If the latter, then I can't blame them for not wanting to chance it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Yes it would be shipped to Ukraine. But, where is the violation of the law if that restricted item won't get into any use in these state, where switchblades restricted. It would be clear law violation if it was resedential address and I received it personally so I could further use it inside those states. But if this item will live USA - I can't see any violations here.
 
knarfeng said:
Good catch.
Using a freight forwarder makes proof of delivery difficult. A lot of sellers refuse to sell to a someone who uses a freight forwarder.
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What proof of delivery? Doesn't forwarder accepts delivery from UPS? Or how sellers can't have proof of delivery if they sent item to forwarder? Tracking doesn't show item got delivered or how? I payed money, seller received my money and sent me the item - who needs more that proof of delivery me, who spent money and waiting for, or seller, who sold that item and got his money? Where's logic here? Ups priority is also insured, so what's the catch with that proof of delivery?
Like mentioned above - it is more up to personal preferences and will. Nothing else.
 
knarfeng said:
Good catch.
Using a freight forwarder makes proof of delivery difficult. A lot of sellers refuse to sell to a someone who uses a freight forwarder.
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Can You, please, explain what is proof of delivery and why is that so important for sellers?
I realize we live in different worlds with different mentalities and mindsets,
where law means completely different things. But it can't be that different, cause this is dedicated knife forum and it is what unite us by our interest&hobby! And somehow most sellers shipp switchblades over ups to conus US onto forwarders. How do they do it then?
Does retailers and internet stores require that proof of delivery also? Cause they're all sending switchblades across whole USA onto those addresses I've provided. How come they are not violating that federal law you'd give a link for?
 
Dimitros said:
Can You, please, explain what is proof of delivery and why is that so important for sellers?
I realize we live in different worlds with different mentalities and mindsets,
where law means completely different things. But it can't be that different, cause this is dedicated knife forum and it is what unite us by our interest&hobby! And somehow most sellers shipp switchblades over ups to conus US onto forwarders. How do they do it then?
Does retailers and internet stores require that proof of delivery also? Cause they're all sending switchblades across whole USA onto those addresses I've provided. How come they are not violating that federal law you'd give a link for?
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The standard protocol at BF is that the seller is responsible to get the item to the buyer. If it is lost in shipment, the seller is responsible to refund the buyer. So it becomes important to be apble to prove that the seller shipped the item to the buyer and that the item arrived at the buyer's address.
With a freight forwarder in the chain of possession, the most that the seller can prove is that the item was shipped to the freight forwarder. The chain of custody becomes diificult to prove. It's an additional risk which some sellers prefer not to take.
 
Now I am starting to get the point.
But! No, even BUT!
You are missing one point too. As a responsible international buyer(far not the fist time buyer) who is willing to buy item from specific private sellers. I pay money for the item and it's delivery to specific address in USA, which I have provided, understanding and admitting that responsibility of the seller ends when shipping track record says "delivered".
From that moment all the legal responsibility falls on forwarding company, which in this case NovaPoshta(or NewPost in translation from Ukrainian) very reputable and biggest delivery/mailing company in Ukraine(yeah it's bigger than UkrPoshta, our government one(usps corresponding one). So can I blame seller if something happens with this item during NovaPoshta shipping phase? What, am I menthally sick or some sort of masohistic scam who scams himselves?
There are two separate shippments - domestic, inside USA, for which the seller is responsible. And the second one - international, here comes NovaPoshta's responsibility, cause I pay money for their services and those services are also insured.
I know You can see and edit dms, so those 2 address belongs to NovaPoshta forwarding habs, those are absolutely secure for forward shipping.

Very alike conversation was with our Ukrainian customs, I have to show em screenshots of my dms here and my paypal regarding that shippment and explaned them your complex varification and registration system for knife sellers. Reinsuring them that it is safe and straight forward to buy knife on BF from private sellers and that everything is fair and clear hear. They listened, maybe red something or had visited BF but it worked. Partly because they trust NovaPoshta, so as we all here in Ukraine do.
Maybe You can create some sort of disclamer here, pointing out that those 2 NovaPoshta addresses are completely safe for forward shipping so that some sellers won't consider it risky or some sort of scam.
It would help a lot not only personally me, but many others knife enthusiasts and collectors from Ukraine, but also for USA sellers here on BF.
 
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