Henckels 5 Star or...

"Yep,Italy! Bet you think Henks are made in Germany,like it 's marked on the blade!"

And I looked over the two oxen site a while back:rolleyes:

I know that some Henkels are made "elsewhere" ... Dunno if it's all or part of various lines. BTW ... Henkels are about the last kitchen knife I'd choose from "elsewhere".
 
Originally posted by Lukers
I used to sell Cutco. In our demos we compared prices to the Henkels 5 star. The cutco are cheaper, but I have no idea if we quoted the recommended retail price for Henkels.

Cutcos are good. They use 440A at 55-57 RC. They cryo treat the knive and have a FOREVER guarantee.

Good luck with your decision.

Cutco compares the price of a set of Cutco to the price of individual pieces of a set of Henckles combined. Henckles 5 Star is in fat cheaper. More about that and a fraudulant ad they made up and claimed was from Henckles here:
http://www.geocities.com/cutcocomplaints/cutco_vector_alcas.html

Almost all good kitchen knives have both a heating process and cold quenching process, for instance Wusthof calls it "ice hardening" while Cutco calls it "crygenic quench." Same difference, only Wusthof is hand forged and Cutco is stamped out of a sheet of metal.

Wusthof, Henckles Twinstar, Chicago Cutlery, and more have lifetime warrantees (although they generally don't need it), only thing they don't cover is abuse and if Cutcos are abused you must pay half the retail price (little more than what it's really worth) not to mention you must pay to ship it in and ship a new one back.
 
For form and function, these beauties are hard to beat!!

http://eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/index.html

Oops! This link just takes you to SMKW. Type Kai into search function to see some gorgeous Damascus kitchen knives at very reasonable prices.

A bit pricey but not much more than a top of the line Henckels, Wustoff or Sabatier. I just picked up an 8 inch Kershaw all steel chef's knife that I thnkis an absolute steal for the money. The handle is textured like a corn cob an provides a good grip even when wet. Henckels makes several different lines of cutlery. They have, or at least had, an International line that looked just like their professional series of forged blades but instead of Germany they were made in Brazil, then Spain. Maybe they have switched to Italy for the latest incarnation. Anyway, they are sold at Kohl's among other places and seem to be on sale every other week for 40% off. Defintely worth a look. Regular price is about 60% of the German version and at 40% off that they are a good value. I'm sutre their top of the line are still made in Germany.

phantom4
 
Warranty
All J.A. HENCKELS products are fully guaranteed against defects in materials and/or craftsmanship.

The J.A. HENCKELS warranty does not cover wear from normal use or any damage resulting from use other than the intended purpose.

Wood products (including wood handle knives) are not covered by the J.A. HENCKELS warranty, as wood is a natural element and thus cannot be guaranteed.

Any product that is felt to be defective needs to be returned to the address below for inspection. Please wrap carefully to ensure points or edges do not cut through mailing carton. Allow 4-6 weeks for handling and be sure to include your full mailing address (no post office box numbers please)

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Defective items will be repaired or replaced with similar item at the option of J.A. HENCKELS.

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If it falls apart, I will get a new one..... But how many have fallen apart?

My .02....
 
I'd say that Henckels stuff is very good, but not the best. I have small set that I keep on a magnetic rack.

These two

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are my favorites.

A chef's knife and a paring knife are all you need for 90% of food prep anyway.

The thing about current Henckels knives is that they are too stainless (i.e. idiot-proof). The carbon content is lower now than in their pre-mass-marketed days. They are designed to cope with with soaking in a sink overnight or (shudder) going through the heat and agitation of a dishwasher cycle. To be fair, most of the other premium brands such as Wusthof share this overcautious approach.

In my personal experience, my Henckels have been great. I steel them regularly and don't subject them to soaking or any other abuse. They hold their edge well and are easy to maintain, so I'm pretty happy with them. It's kind of lame that they use sintered construction instead of traditional forging, but so far it hasn't been a disadvantage to me. However, if I hadn't got them for a really great price I would have picked a less common brand.

They get top marks for snob appeal from people who have a passing familiarity with kitchen knives... except from the person I know that sells Cutco. Don't get me started on her.


One German company that makes forged knives with higher carbon content is F. Dick.

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If you treat them well, they are great, and a lot of pro chefs like them. They're not for someone who isn't acquainted with the basics of knife care, however. I'd guess that this covers about 95% of the general population. They would be my first choice if I had to replace my Henckels. I also like Wusthof and Forschner because they're traditionally forged.


Oh yeah, if they're planning on joining a cooking class, some actually require the use of Henckels knives, which strikes me as being a tad inflexible.
 
Originally posted by Nathanial4
Warranty...
If it falls apart, I will get a new one..... But how many have fallen apart?

And that's the thing, some knife salesmen act like these are vucuum cleaners or something. If it's a decent knife and you take care of it, it lasts. If you don't, even Cutco's guarantee doesn't fully cover it- they end up charging you around what it's really worth to replace.
 
Wusthof. The classic line.

When I was in culinary school one of the chefs used to say, "Henckels is for housewives." :p

My first knife kit was all F. Dick knives. I didn't like the edge holding ability and switched all of the more important pieces to Wusthof classics.
 
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