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Ok guys these scans are not great and the designs are some of my first. I recently sent a bunch of designs to Mike Fullar for him to look at I will post a link to my designs asap. I just emailed them to photopoint so it will be a little bit before i can post the link. Thanks, and if anyone is interested in them or likes them or has sugesstions let me know. please dont take these designs. Thanks. geoff.
here is the link they are faint sorry about that. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=379860&a=3813531

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Gunner, the pictures are too small to really see. They must be blown up or else they are too light and we can't read all the scribbles to see your notes, which may be important to the design features. From what I COULD see, I think you have some good designs there, but nothing earth-shattering by any stretch. Current knives are a mix of excellent design and craftsmanship, and usually that is best done by people who've worked with the steel and know what is or isn't possible. Those are solid, time-proven knife styles, but nothing that is different enough to grab the attention of a manufacturer or custom maker, in my opinion. Get a notebook and just start filling it up! I think you'll start to see more and more creative things sprouting up, then you can mix and match ideas and maybe come up with something really interesting. It's a good start, but I didn't see anything that would get the attention of a maker.

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Well, I certainly am impressed, and I hope this puts to rest all comments and speculations about Gunner being totally FOS! I think he's really proven something to you all, that I've known all along. Hermanator, eat your heart out, your work sure doesn't compare, does it?
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Thank Heaven, Mike had the good sense to copyright those deisigns for you, I think I'm starting to see people ripping you off allready. Now how they got your designs on their websites so quickly, I just find amazing.

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Interesting designs, Geoff.


Designing can be an enjoyable and constructive activity. As long as you remember that being a knife maker and especially just being a knife designer is not a get rich quick profession.

Some of my first designs I don't even want to look at MYSELF
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. However, I had fun drawing them so I kept on designing more and more, always trying to improve upon my designs. I now try different design styles and techniques, sometimes trying to imitate a Loveless, sometimes trying to capture some of Turzuola's subtle military elegance in one of my designs.

If you really enjoy designing, then you will continue to do so and your designs will vastly improve.

I'm not really one to talk, but try to keep words off of your designs or at least all oriented the same way and in one area.

Keep up the good work
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Jeez.The guy takes heat for not posting his designs.Then when he posts 'em he takes heat for the designs...Hmmm says a lot about some of you guys.BTW L6 you really aren't breaking any new ground with some of your"pieces"
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And might I add, Chiro75 I know you said that it was "in your opinion" and everyone is welcome to one, but jeeze, do you have to put it accross like that? Not exactly encouraging. "Not earth-shattering" "you won't get anymakers attention with those designs" Man, what an a-hole, in my opinion.

P.S. I'm a maker and have been for 7 years and they caught my attention.

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Please darken the drawings. Hard to see.Im blind as a bat as it is. LOL
 
Yeah Chiro whats up with that?I don't know if I would go as far as characterizing you as an A-hole, but it is a pretty close call.
I think this has something to do with the recent comparisons of Gunner and Chiro and maybe Chiro feels a need to lash out and put a little distance between him and Gunner.Just a guess(what do I look like?a shrink?)Take care Gunner.
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I've been watching this one from a distance so far, but I've got to say, way to go Gunner! To have been hassled about his designs existence, and then to post these links- way to go! I personally find them nicely done and interesting. I sure as hell couldn't have done any better myself. Someone mentioned the pics being too small- I see there's another thread with more of his work that has larger pictures available.


As far as nothing ground breaking- that might be someone's opinion, and that's fine. But, are the fixed bladed designs coming out of the factories so progressive as to make Gunner's work seem antiquated? Not really IMHO, there's a handle and there's a blade. C'mon- credit where credit's due- good job Gunner!

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Be nice, people.

This is a place for learning, and that includes showing people what we've come up with and getting feedback.

The pictures are a little on the small side, but I don't have a "Pant! Lust! Drool!" reaction to any of them. But then I think a Becker Machaxe or a Bram Frank Gunting/Escalator are pretty damned peculiar looking and require an explanation. After the explanation, they look better.

Drawings #14 and #10 look to me like useful "general purpose compact tactical" knives, depending on the detail that I'd want to see in a larger image.

On the larger knives with the double guards (#5 & #13), I don't understand the raised spine of the blade, or the narrowing of the handle just behind the double guard. The latter feature interrupts the "flow" of the design, so its purpose needs explaining. #6 also needs explaining.

There are notes on the designs that might be legible in a larger image, and might go part way toward explaining what needs explaining. If the images were converted from .bmp files to .jpg files with "20%" data compression or something like that, the file size and bandwidth usage would be about a tenth that of an uncompressed image, so a larger and more legible image would download reasonably fast.




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I know I'm being a bit of an a-hole myself but it comes down to when someone(like gunner) is baring his first designs for the world to see, it is very discouraging to hear people saying that they are not earth shattering or that it wont catch any makers attention, don't lie to the guy, but don't slap him down either. I think it is just the context in how it's said. Plus I don't think that Chiro is in a position to say what other makers will think of the designs.

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Gunner I do have to say that after the heat you took for being a mooch you still had the brass ones to post your designs ( one step further then myself),so I guess my point is you have big brass balls that should admired and polished by all.

To some of the people that replied: Ok maybe he's not the next Randall or Loveless, big fugging deal,very few people on this forum are and some of you guys are the last people that should throwing rocks. Hey Chiro,was you first sheath a masterpiece of engineering and ergonomics?I doubt it very very much.

Not that it matters much,but I'm kinda disappointed in some of the posts I read,is this what you want a budding knifemaker or designer to see when they come here?

Walter (aka Suvorov)
 
God, I am getting sick of this forum! Kisu, would you please open your eyes and re-read my ENTIRE post now??? YOu did a very excellent job of quoting some of my comments, but you ingored the encouragement I gave. DO you seriously think that Gunner would have a chance if he packed up copies of those drawings and sent them to top makers and manufacturers? I said they were good efforts. I do think they lack originality, but they're his first drawings, and like I said later in my post the more he does the better they'll be. Kisu, you did a very good job of pointing out the negatives in my post, but apparently you didn't bother to read the whole thing. If Gunner becomes the next Joel Pirela, then more power to him, but these drawings aren't the ones that will get him to that point. Later ones with better detail may be! And I really don't get your dig about me not knowing what makers would look for, but who cares anyway.

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Ok, I appologize. I'm sorry I made a snide remark about your knife designing Gunner! Guess it takes some guts to put your ideas before the www for all to see. If you ever get one built for real, I'd like to see it.


 
Oh, Walter, no, my first sheath was far from a masterpiece. Here's a pic, in fact:


<img src=http://www.geocities.com/chiro75/sheathbelt.jpg>


If you'll read my post, however, you'll see I was encouraging Gunner to keep trying and strive for more originality. I apologize, to Gunner, if my post came off as all negative, but it really was meant to be constructive criticism (no, you will not be taken seriously by anyone, except maybe Kisu, if you send those pics to knife makers). That said, you have a good eye for designs that make good working knives. I guarantee that if you keep doodling, and strive for better detail in your pictures (like showing where the bevels would be, adding scales measurements, etc) that you will come across designs that WOULD interest a lot of makers, that is, if you can get their ear for a moment!

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To anyone who doesn't make or design or make knives: What makes you fit to judge the marketability of designs, other than arrogance?
There is no such thing as constructive criticism. A critic is by nature and by definition destructive.
If you are tired of this forum - perhaps you are out of your league...
That being said, just shut up. Your criticism is without merit, and your condescendsion without value.
 
Keep in mind that there is a little more to this situation.I don't believe Gunner posted the pictures to gloat over his knife designing brilliance.He was directly challenged on another thread that if he was to have any credibility on this forum he needs to post pictures of the designs he had talked about.So he posts the designs.It was pretty obvious that he did not really want to throw them out there for the whole world to critique but he stepped up and I think that shows a lot of character.And look how he gets stomped.Real nice guys
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troy

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