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*Here is a negative review on the commander
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"rogue_spear"
This guys right up your alley! He thinks the Commander's too small as well.
His facts are a little off, as is his grammar and spelling (hope his English Teacher doesn't get wind of the it), but over all it's a cute site. He does like Thermonuclear Devices and Desert Eagles though.
John
This guys right up your alley! He thinks the Commander's too small as well.
His facts are a little off, as is his grammar and spelling (hope his English Teacher doesn't get wind of the it), but over all it's a cute site. He does like Thermonuclear Devices and Desert Eagles though.
John
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Quotes from the site:
WTF? Is this guy like a midget or something? GEEEZUS...
WTF? Does he mean the chisel grind will make it glide "off course?" Or is he contradicting himself?
I do not use these knives to carve roasts! They are meant strictly for when someone is going to carve me, choke me, break my neck or hold me stationary so a "friend" can do these things. I simply do not understand "reviews" like this...
As Bob Engnath pointed out...
"One might only have 50 or 60 foot pounds of energy behind a stroke, but, when concentrated on the needle point of a blade, it literally adds up to an astronomical amount of pounds PSI [Pounds Per Square Inch]."
Can the Commander be described as a "needle point?" I will leave that up to you, considering the common screwdriver is the Number Two weapon in the "Edged Weapon" category for Homicide...I think this tells the tale. (I stated this before)
I have two words in response to this...
Wound Channel.
WTF?
Suckling at the teat of the Benchmade God...as I stated before, I love the fact I can do whatever I have to do with a Swiss Army Knife or a Gerber Multi-Plier...alas, these are my cutting tools and not my Tactical Lifesaving Devices...sigh...
I swear to GOD! Where are these people? I have never had one of these Discs come loose! BLAH BLAH BLAH...and...the choice of Manual Opener really is an intensely Personal Taste and Feel.
If we take the Wave and assorted Automatics out of this conversation and rely only on Manual Opening Devices...I prefer;
1. Disc
2. Hole
3. Stud
In that order, and that is not because I worship Ernest Emerson.
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And the same goes for a knife...
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WTF? Is this guy like a midget or something? GEEEZUS...
WTF? Does he mean the chisel grind will make it glide "off course?" Or is he contradicting himself?
I do not use these knives to carve roasts! They are meant strictly for when someone is going to carve me, choke me, break my neck or hold me stationary so a "friend" can do these things. I simply do not understand "reviews" like this...
As Bob Engnath pointed out...
"One might only have 50 or 60 foot pounds of energy behind a stroke, but, when concentrated on the needle point of a blade, it literally adds up to an astronomical amount of pounds PSI [Pounds Per Square Inch]."
Can the Commander be described as a "needle point?" I will leave that up to you, considering the common screwdriver is the Number Two weapon in the "Edged Weapon" category for Homicide...I think this tells the tale. (I stated this before)
I have two words in response to this...
Wound Channel.
WTF?
Suckling at the teat of the Benchmade God...as I stated before, I love the fact I can do whatever I have to do with a Swiss Army Knife or a Gerber Multi-Plier...alas, these are my cutting tools and not my Tactical Lifesaving Devices...sigh...
I swear to GOD! Where are these people? I have never had one of these Discs come loose! BLAH BLAH BLAH...and...the choice of Manual Opener really is an intensely Personal Taste and Feel.
If we take the Wave and assorted Automatics out of this conversation and rely only on Manual Opening Devices...I prefer;
1. Disc
2. Hole
3. Stud
In that order, and that is not because I worship Ernest Emerson.
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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
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Don, Don, Don. Yours is a hard act to follow. Especially when I agree.
I am not nor have I ever been a soldier nor am I a certified ass kicker so I wont go into what Emerson knives can or cannot do when it comes to self defense.
I have however logged a an hour or two of bottom time so I'll relate my personal experince with regard to the "hard use" part of the claim. I have used a production CQC-7 on a number of dives for the purpose of line cutting both on the bottom as well as top side. During this time I have found ocassion to use my 7 for probing, scraping and twisting as well.
Aside from the blade holding up well, I have never experienced any sort of failure with regard to the rest of the knife. The combination of the production thickness liners (which some people hate) and G-10 were fine even when torqing the blade by twisting the handle (hey, sometimes ya gotta!). Also, during all this "use" the locking mechanism never failed.
That is not to say the the liner lock is the end all of locking mechanisms. There are other, more "secure" locking systems but I cannot think of one that combines such simplicity (read, lack of small internal parts) with reasonable reliability.
Now, I could have clipped a Benchmade Axis knife to my BC but I don't know how well the mechanism would hold up to total salt water immersion. I also don't know if I would like stripping that knife apart to clean it after every dive. With the 7 I just strip it and wash it. Once in a while I would throw the parts in Salt-X.
Finally, I have stripped this knife down and rebuilt it a whole mess of times. None of the parts have never come loose ESPECIALLY the thunb disc which had zero play. The pivot screw has always had a tendency to back out with use but that has never really been a problem for me.
So that's it. I can't say that I have ever used any of my Emersons more than this one but I think that its served me well.
Oh, and thank God Ernie didn't use that confounded "hex" hardware. I can never keep track of the little wrenches. I went to a hardware store to find one for my Mini AFCK once and they did'nt have the right size. I ended up calling Benchmade and talking to a couple of people before a woman on the production floor was able to tell me the exact size. I loved that knife though! (can I say that here?)
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Usual Suspect
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I am not nor have I ever been a soldier nor am I a certified ass kicker so I wont go into what Emerson knives can or cannot do when it comes to self defense.
I have however logged a an hour or two of bottom time so I'll relate my personal experince with regard to the "hard use" part of the claim. I have used a production CQC-7 on a number of dives for the purpose of line cutting both on the bottom as well as top side. During this time I have found ocassion to use my 7 for probing, scraping and twisting as well.
Aside from the blade holding up well, I have never experienced any sort of failure with regard to the rest of the knife. The combination of the production thickness liners (which some people hate) and G-10 were fine even when torqing the blade by twisting the handle (hey, sometimes ya gotta!). Also, during all this "use" the locking mechanism never failed.
That is not to say the the liner lock is the end all of locking mechanisms. There are other, more "secure" locking systems but I cannot think of one that combines such simplicity (read, lack of small internal parts) with reasonable reliability.
Now, I could have clipped a Benchmade Axis knife to my BC but I don't know how well the mechanism would hold up to total salt water immersion. I also don't know if I would like stripping that knife apart to clean it after every dive. With the 7 I just strip it and wash it. Once in a while I would throw the parts in Salt-X.
Finally, I have stripped this knife down and rebuilt it a whole mess of times. None of the parts have never come loose ESPECIALLY the thunb disc which had zero play. The pivot screw has always had a tendency to back out with use but that has never really been a problem for me.
So that's it. I can't say that I have ever used any of my Emersons more than this one but I think that its served me well.
Oh, and thank God Ernie didn't use that confounded "hex" hardware. I can never keep track of the little wrenches. I went to a hardware store to find one for my Mini AFCK once and they did'nt have the right size. I ended up calling Benchmade and talking to a couple of people before a woman on the production floor was able to tell me the exact size. I loved that knife though! (can I say that here?)
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I wasn't going to pick his "review" apart, but I do want to add a couple of things to Don and Arks comments.
"Torx". WTF! What exactly is the advantage of a torx headed screw?! Torx started life as a way to keep morons from taking their cars apart. EKI builds their knives so that the user can disassemble them. Why would they use Torx?
The old "Doesn't have an effective point" thing is a pet peeve for Don and I. I have seen more then my fair share of stab wounds and have to tell you, I'm always amazed at the things that will actually penetrate the human body. A couple of weeks ago I had a guy that got a SAK blade stuck in his back up to the hilt. How silly he probably felt knowing it didn't have an "effective point" either.
I think that's a new Guild test criteria.
I could go on and on . . . . .
John
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"Torx". WTF! What exactly is the advantage of a torx headed screw?! Torx started life as a way to keep morons from taking their cars apart. EKI builds their knives so that the user can disassemble them. Why would they use Torx?
The old "Doesn't have an effective point" thing is a pet peeve for Don and I. I have seen more then my fair share of stab wounds and have to tell you, I'm always amazed at the things that will actually penetrate the human body. A couple of weeks ago I had a guy that got a SAK blade stuck in his back up to the hilt. How silly he probably felt knowing it didn't have an "effective point" either.
I think that's a new Guild test criteria.
I could go on and on . . . . .
John
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And even if John is wrong or using hyperbole to make a point about the Automotive Industry using Torx to prevent moronic disassembly, his point is 100% valid when it comes to Benchmade as they will void the warranty if you take your BM knife apart. So, examined in the light of this, how is a Torx superior?
It is an, "I wanna nitpick and bitch about every possible thing" viewpoint.
Well, you know the answer to that, to the uninitiated, again, so commonly available tools can be utilized to disassemble the knife.
If measuring ability to thrust, yes, there is a matter of degree. Of course some knives will almost magically slip inside someone, so will a good icepick. That does not make an icepick superior, it means it thrusts well.
Some people just want to pick out little things John...that's all.
Then when we pick out little stupid things about them, they get pissed off.
I have all of these Emerson Knives...GOD! I have $1,400.00 in Production Junk from Ernie!
If they are so horrible, why have I continued to buy these things?
They simply do not exhibit the problems that other people are reporting.
But what makes me really, violently ill are all the remarks regarding screw type and finish. I have to give it to this guy though, he came up with something new I have not heard before!
The discs are coming loose now too huh? Never heard that either...
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And the same goes for a knife...
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I guess all I would say is that if this guy is the poster child for Emerson bashers, suspects are on pretty safe ground.
And I've never had a thumbdisc come loose. Never.
AND (one more thing) unless someone here asked for a negative review of the Commander, posting that in this forum pretty much defines "trolling".
It's getting old.
Knock it TF off.
-Paul
And I've never had a thumbdisc come loose. Never.
AND (one more thing) unless someone here asked for a negative review of the Commander, posting that in this forum pretty much defines "trolling".
It's getting old.
Knock it TF off.
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Don, I meant to mention the disk, all mine are rock solid as well. Perhaps he misunderstood the rhetoric he's attempting to repeat. Perhaps he means "pivots". There is that minor issue.
Heeeeey, let a brother get away with one will ya'!
John
Heeeeey, let a brother get away with one will ya'!
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Just my two cents... Again. Sean McWilliams made a great point once in FK when comparing his forged stainless to other steels in a cutting test. He said you can basically cut someone with just about anything that resembles an edge or point.
There are graveyrads filled with people killed by pointy things other than knives. I think a purpose built, precision machined, heat treated piece of ATS-34 will do the job... Even if it has a little belly to it.
But hey to each his own. I'm OK your OK.
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There are graveyrads filled with people killed by pointy things other than knives. I think a purpose built, precision machined, heat treated piece of ATS-34 will do the job... Even if it has a little belly to it.
But hey to each his own. I'm OK your OK.
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Guys,
What can you say....
Some people don't like 1911's either....
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
What can you say....
Some people don't like 1911's either....
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"Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior."
"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
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Alas, I had to disagree, for you were technically inaccurate!
GM went to Torx on some applications to also give them more business in the Service Department. For you see, on the '89 S10 Tahoe I had, to replace the headlight, you needed a TORX!
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And the same goes for a knife...
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Don, come on man . . . give me half a point!!
