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Well, the bird flu is on its way to the US. The Gov does not have much of a plan and the majority of Americans are unprepaired for any type of a disaster. What are your predictions if there is a widespread outbreak? Also curious as to what your individual plans are.
Wade
 
im hoping this is just another SARS thing( scientists predicted astronomical casualties of SARS too), but im not counting on it. i dont see anything good coming out of this situation, sure people in this country will probably die, but hopefull pathologists can come up with something to at least slow it down to come up with a flu shot.

as far as my personal preparedness.....im more suited to fight off zombies at this point than a plague (guess ive been watching the wrong movies)

so u guys think a post-apocalyptic wouldnt be fun? lol camon i KNOW there isnt a man here who didnt love MadMax/ Road Warrior

another idea, why dont we declare war on birds. theyre arming themselves you know, bio weapons......and theyre organized too! they are being led by the villianous colonel, that BASTARD Colonel Sanders has gone over to the other side and is spearheading the avian mobilization!

now i think we know the answer to the age old question.....is it wabbit season or is it duck season?
 
Most articles portray this as being almost as bad as the Black Plague of the mid-thirteen hundreds. Add to this the mad cow disease that is now entering the food system and we have the scenario for probably half the world's population being wiped out (that is a guestimate.)

Don't think there is really much you can do about it. Either your immune system can withstand this health threat or it can't. Boils down to survival of the fittest. Nature's way of weeding out the weak. Don't like it but really nothing much that can be done unless researchers can develop a serum to eradicate it.

Preparation? Well if you can isolate yourself from the general population for months at a time and don't eat meat products you may have a chance. Don't think most of us can afford that option.
 
what makes bird flu any worse that the other of the (hundreds) of forms of flu. Yes, people have died from it, but people die from the other flus too. If you ask me, this media mass hysteria is nothing more than a ploy to bring in martial law. Problem-reaction-solution. I hope I wrong. But as far as the flu of any kind. the key is to keep you imune system strong. lots of VIT.-C
 
ranger88 said:
what makes bird flu any worse that the other of the (hundreds) of forms of flu. Yes, people have died from it, but people die from the other flus too. If you ask me, this media mass hysteria is nothing more than a ploy to bring in martial law. Problem-reaction-solution. I hope I wrong. But as far as the flu of any kind. the key is to keep you imune system strong. lots of VIT.-C


If you have to ask that question you need to do some basic research into the matter. This flu kills the healthy more than any other group at a rate of 50%.

It has to mutate first to become a pandemic which has not happened but the more people who catch it the more likely it is to mutate.

It IS time for people to start thinking about this flu.

Skam
 
The bird flu has the capability to develop into a pandemic. This is as opposed to the normal seasonal flu that comes around every year (and, yes, the seasonal flu does indeed kill a good number of people every year).

The reason behind the bird flu hysteria is that when it does infect a human being, the mortality rate is 50%. However, that is a strain of flu that is very hard for a human to catch. I've read analysis on other sites that suggest it is likely that the bird flu will become less lethal in order to become more highly transmittable between humans. The reason behind this thinking is that the bird flu has to mutate in order to become highly infectious, and the way a flu virus mutates is by combining itself with another flu virus. Chances are good that it would use a virus that is far less lethal to humans, and so the expectation is good that the resulting strain would be less severe than is the current avian flu.

Note that the overall mortality rate for the Spanish Flu (1918-1919) was 2.5% - 5%. This is considered the single most lethal flu virus that the world has ever seen. For the avian flu to mutate into a highly infectious form and then present with a mortality rate of anything significantly higher than 5% would be a profound bit of bad luck indeed. Note that the spanish flu was also a form of avian flu.

You can read more about the Spanish Flu here.

From all of this, there's a couple of observations to be made:

  1. A new outbreak of an infectious form of the avian flu could indeed be a bad thing that would kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in the US alone. Even so, the disease hardly spells the end of everything.
  2. Currently, the avian flu has not mutated into a highly infectious form. Unless it does so, you are highly unlikely to catch it unless you work closely with large flocks of birds (chickens, for example)
  3. The CDC and the WHO are on record as stating that a pandemic will hit again someday. This is hardly news. Pandemics have been with us ever since humanity domesticated animals. Just a price we pay for agriculture.
  4. IMO, the media has blown the current threat all out of proportion. The real threat to this country is the economic loss caused by slaughtering flocks of chickens and other domestic birds in an effort to halt the spread of the virus.

If the avian flu hits in an infectious state, you can expect the resulting panic and quarantines to result in the state of affairs that many "survivalists" think about. That is, wide-spread civic unrest as shortages hit nation wide. Things could get dicey for a while. Having the skills to retreat to the woods and stay far away from the big population centers may actually be a great way to ride out the pandemic.

OK, I've gone on about this long enough. Suffice to say that there's a lot of things I worry about in the world today (peak oil, global climate change, a bankrupt economy), but the bird flu isn't one of them. I'm not getting worked up about this until someone shows me that the thing has become highly infectious.

'Nuff said.
 
bulgron said:
Having the skills to retreat to the woods and stay far away from the big population centers may actually be a great way to ride out the pandemic.

Or, like I heard someone say once, "Lock down every city in the United States, send the military around to throw MREs on your doorstep every couple of days, require people to stay at home, and accomplish that by providing free cable tv and high-speed internet to every household in the U.S. for the duration of the pandemic."

People in the U.S. would probably jump at that, as pitiful as it sounds.
 
It will never hit the USA in this large of a scale. They will find a cure long before it happens. 99% chance it will be handled like sars.
 
SubaruSTi said:
It will never hit the USA in this large of a scale. They will find a cure long before it happens. 99% chance it will be handled like sars.


Your crystal ball off e-bay must have been a good deal.

Skam
 
cosine said:
Or, like I heard someone say once, "Lock down every city in the United States, send the military around to throw MREs on your doorstep every couple of days, require people to stay at home, and accomplish that by providing free cable tv and high-speed internet to every household in the U.S. for the duration of the pandemic."

People in the U.S. would probably jump at that, as pitiful as it sounds.

Trust me, it would never work. People would start to kill their kids in about a week. Husbands and wives would be strangling one another in about two weeks.

Completely unworkable.
 
Temper said:
Bring it on, I for one can't wait for a little 'thinning' out :thumbup:

It's always easier to contemplate massive death if one also imagines that he --and his close friends and loved ones, to be sure - are not amongst those "thinned out." Those who died in the 1918-19 pandemic do not seem to have had a pleasant death.

And if one sincerely approves of large numbers of premature deaths on Darwinian grounds, fear not; "regular flu" killed over 425,000 in the U.S. alone in 1972-1992 (source: N.I.H.). So the lil' viruses keep clicking right along, killing more than the historic pandemics according to the N.I.H. -- and just as dead. Big clumps of mortality, of course, cause more disruption than the same numbers spread out, if that is the desired state of things.
 
(Mr. Burns voice) Excellent!

Survival of the fittest(or careful) dude, lets see what happens.:)
 
You have your thoughts on the matter and I have mine, with 25% of the population gone, its going to be a big breather for the survivors.

Just another example of evolution, nothing more.
 
All anyone can say at this point is it could be bad or it could be nothing. Bird flu is a concern, but no one really knows what will happen...yet.

Read the 60 minutes report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/02/60minutes/main1094515.shtml

I've seen other segments on TV where they gave examples on how hard it would be for an average healthy person to contract it. It is beneficial for the media to hype it up, people want to watch doom and gloom.
 
KILLAFORNIA said:
They already have found a vaccine for it, what are you all worried about, this is old news....


Are you sure? They have a vaccine for something that doesnt exist yet? :confused:
 
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