Heritage Old Timers?

[Bob W]

Old Timer knives with the same handles and shields as the 1983 Heritage knives? A couple were listed this week (I bought the only one with a reasonable pricetag). However, there are no such Old Timers listed in the 1983 catalog or price lists.

I might have thought it was a factory error blade switch, but this one came in an Old Timer box with the end label, "8OT RB". That indicates these Old Timers were made purposefully and at some level of systematic production.

Anyone shed some light on this?

 

[thawk]

Just when you think you get something figured out with Schrade. Another member pointed out that very knife, and I gave him wrong information, saying the box was not original. I've seen this combination without a shield too.

Maybe they had some left over from 1983 that were assembled with 8OT blades for whatever reason. If completely planned, I would have thought they'd have put OLD TIMER shields on them.

Anyone know the year they switched from brown boxes to Sharp Idea boxes? I would guess after 1983. At any rate, that is a great knife Bob!

 

[lwt210]

Yeah, I started to BIN on that one. Had the seller put the box end on a pic, I probably would have pounced on it. Looks like a real fine knife.

Oh well.....I got a 5uh on an offer (the guy that had a ton of them for sale or auction) and I got a great deal on it. Then there was the well used 125ot I got......I need to slack up but I can't resist.

Must get stronger.

 

[Bob W]

I might have thought it was a one-off idea, if not for the fact there were two or three of these up for auction in the same week, and in the other colors from the Heritage bone set too.

I wonder... maybe the Heritage series didn't sell like they had hoped. So to boost sales the series was extended to the more popular "Old Timer" brand?

I have a regular Heritage knife en-route and will post a comparison pic when it arrives.

 

[thawk]

Yeah, I started to BIN on that one. Had the seller put the box end on a pic, I probably would have pounced on it. Looks like a real fine knife.

Oh well.....I got a 5uh on an offer (the guy that had a ton of them for sale or auction) and I got a great deal on it. Then there was the well used 125ot I got......I need to slack up but I can't resist.

Must get stronger.

OK fess up, who gave the bad opinion? (Thawk raises hand). Sorry! Be careful who you ask for advice next time. I would have pounced on it too, if I'd have seen the box end. I about did anyway. After this, I'm glad Bob got it. In the future, it might be a good habit to ask a question about the packaging, but I rarely do if I am interested in fear they will print it out in the listing.

I had a similar experience once when I bought a smooth black Schrade NY USA 834 stockman. Up until that point the only one I'd ever seen, and did not find it in a catalog either. About a year later, there was another one listed in a plain brown box, so I thought. When I got it, it had 834 B on the end, and paperwork. Never make any assumptions with Schrade.

 

[aggiebuilder2003]

I don't know if this comment follows in line with this thread, but I have seen in the past a few green bone handled 8OTs with the standard old timer shield and the sharp idea boxes up for sale. I was always reluctant to make a go at one for fear it was not genuine, but all of the pictures of the tangs for those knives had the correct stamps. Maybe I screwed up by not going after them. Seems like I remember them going for upwards of $50 each.

Chuck

 

[thawk]

Makes me wonder if the Green Bone examples have 8OT GB on the side of those boxes? I completely think it is on topic.

It follows more than my 834 B comment for sure. I was thinking along the lines of checking the pattern number on packaging for validation. Finding the pattern listed on the box kind of ensures it was not just assembled from parts after the sale. I believe that still goes on to a degree, but can't really give any examples.

 

[lwt210]

OK fess up, who gave the bad opinion? (Thawk raises hand). Sorry! Be careful who you ask for advice next time.

Okay, okay, it was your fault.

I'll settle out of court for one of your 44OTs. I'll have my people call your people.

 

[Rusty1]

I have an 8OTGB although it came in a plain white box with 8OTGB stamped on the end.
Pic later.

Russell

 

[Codger_64]

There were/are a buttload of empty boxes floating around out there. I've bought quite a few of them myself off eBay in the past. Sellers (both pro-ebayers and collectors) don't always pair their knives with correct boxes. "If it fits, use it". I forget exactly how many tractor-trailer loads of knives left the Schrade auction, but in the dim sparks of my memory, it seems like I remember the number being seventeen. Also remember, though the factory shut down normal operations and all shipping in July of 2004, the receivers had some workers (skilled and unskilled) busy thru the October 2004 auction assembling as many knives as they could from the parts left laying around when the workers were sent packing in July. That is nearly four months worth of parts knives put together with varying degrees of accuracy. Pallets of folded down boxes were sold along with the knives too.

 

[Bob W]

I dunno Codger.

I certainly considered the possibilities: aftermarket parts knife, end-of-days knife, factory error, lunchbox special... But the evidence indicates this knife was manufactured on purpose and during the same time period as the Heritage knives.

The package is a brown caramel box with "8OT RB" ink stamped on each end (not printed on the box like the standard production Old Timers of that period). The space for the UPC code is empty.

The paperwork insert is a tan "Built to Last a Lifetime" pamphlet. A highlight of the pamphlet is a section, "By Popular Demand - New From Schrade" showing the 225OT, 44OT, 106OT, and 877UT.

To clear up the question, perhaps someone has one of these that they've owned since before 2004? Or maybe a pre-2004 catalog?

 

[thawk]

I'm pretty surprised there were factory produced RB and GB boxes, Rusty and Bob. I like learning something new. I would like to find out a little more about those.

OK fess up, who gave the bad opinion? (Thawk raises hand). Sorry! Be careful who you ask for advice next time.

Okay, okay, it was your fault.

I'll settle out of court for one of your 44OTs. I'll have my people call your people.

OK Officer! Guilty as charged. Which one?

Maybe this 44OT Single Spring Pen, with, ahem, the 33OT front handle. :foot: It is one of my favorite watch pocket carries.

 

[aggiebuilder2003]

Old Timer knives with the same handles and shields as the 1983 Heritage knives? A couple were listed this week (I bought the only one with a reasonable pricetag). However, there are no such Old Timers listed in the 1983 catalog or price lists.

I might have thought it was a factory error blade switch, but this one came in an Old Timer box with the end label, "8OT RB". That indicates these Old Timers were made purposefully and at some level of systematic production.

Anyone shed some light on this?

Bob,

I got to looking at your knife again and, minus the shield, you and I have the same knife it appears. Go figure!

Chuck

 

[ea42]

I think those RB boxes were originally for the red bone 3 knife OT set from 1985. I know that the 8OT was part of that trio.

Eric

 

[Bob W]

Bob,
I got to looking at your knife again and, minus the shield, you and I have the same knife it appears. Go figure!
Chuck

Very cool. It seems there must have been more than a few of these made.

How long have you owned it?

I think those RB boxes were originally for the red bone 3 knife OT set from 1985. I know that the 8OT was part of that trio.

Eric

Could be the origin from the RB boxes. Doesn't explain the GB boxes though, if the green "Heritage Old Timer" boxes are so marked.

But the shields and bolsters of the 1985 anniversary set don't match these "Heritage" Old Timers. I'll include one of those 1985 knives in the upcoming comparison scan.

 

[aggiebuilder2003]

Very cool. It seems there must have been more than a few of these made.

How long have you owned it?

Bob,

It is the same that I posted in the 100th Anniversary Schrade thread a while back. I have pieced together the RB trio as shown in that thread as well. As much as I like showing off my knives, I thought I'd just refer back to that thread instead of taking up space in this one.

Chuck

 

[Rusty1]

Well, further to my post of earlier the Green bone knife was actually a LTD 80 frame GB, not an 8OT GB. However here are pics of the 8OT RB and the box they came in. When I bought this knife the seller had the 8OT GB also. Wished I got both now!!

Russell

 

[thawk]

Well, further to my post of earlier the Green bone knife was actually a LTD 80 frame GB, not an 8OT GB. However here are pics of the 8OT RB and the box they came in. When I bought this knife the seller had the 8OT GB also. Wished I got both now!!

Russell

Man that is a beauty. You nailed those pictures Russell. :thumbup:

 

[Bob W]

Well, further to my post of earlier the Green bone knife was actually a LTD 80 frame GB, not an 8OT GB. However here are pics of the 8OT RB and the box they came in. When I bought this knife the seller had the 8OT GB also. Wished I got both now!!

Russell

That box is marked just like the "8OT RB" box that's in front of me.

Your knife is lacking the "19 SCHRADE 83" shield though, as is Chuck's.

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Here is a matched 3-piece set of the anniversary Old Timers with red bone handles. As I mentioned, the shields and bolsters are different than these "Heritage" Old Timer knives.

 

[ea42]

Bob, is the box actually hot stamped with the gold 8OT RB lettering, or is it a white sticker?