Heritage Old Timers?

[Bob W]

It's a black ink on both ends of the box, just like in Rusty1's picture.

 

[aggiebuilder2003]

Well, further to my post of earlier the Green bone knife was actually a LTD 80 frame GB, not an 8OT GB. However here are pics of the 8OT RB and the box they came in. When I bought this knife the seller had the 8OT GB also. Wished I got both now!!

Russell

DAAAAAAANG!!! Now that's an eye popper!

Chuck

 

[ea42]

Here's my 8OT RB in the box it came in, have the other two in the same woodgrain boxes with stickers, all tang stamped the same as well, with NY in the stamp. I think Bob's is a newer stamp sans the "NY". These came out around 1984-5 as a set of three in a faux alligator skin jewelry case, but they may have been individually packed in the boxes.

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Thing thing with the Swinden knives is that you have a frame, say the 8OT, that's basically assembled with the blades and springs attached, and then you have the handles, also basically assembled with bolsters, shields, and handle material attached. All you need to do is twist them together and add the pivot pin, and you have a completed knife. (That's kinda simplified of course). So now, if there are a box of 8OT frame assemblies that you want to get rid of, you look on the shelf, see that box of old Heritage handle assemblies for the 80 frame (you can see that, and Russell's, are full Hertage assemblies due to the threaded bolsters), say "that'll work", and put them together. Now, whether this happened for an SFO they were lucky enough to find, or it was put together pre-auction, I'm not sure that we'll ever know. Boxes were NO problem, just needed an 8OT box. There was a packing table about a mile long, with a rack along the middle that had hundreds of ink pad rubber stamps for just about any assembly ever made. Just needed to find the right one and stamp the box. That's kinda MHO about how that particular knife may have come about, although it's darned possible I may be way off of course. I recently saw a Heritage barlow with the non-Heritage blades as well. Can't remember who posted it though. They're nice unique knives with good old 1095 steel to boot:thumbup:

Eric

 

[Codger_64]

...Thing thing with the Swinden knives is that you have a frame, say the 8OT, that's basically assembled with the blades and springs attached, and then you have the handles, also basically assembled with bolsters, shields, and handle material attached. All you need to do is twist them together and add the pivot pin, and you have a completed knife. (That's kinda simplified of course). So now, if there are a box of 8OT frame assemblies that you want to get rid of, you look on the shelf, see that box of old Heritage handle assemblies for the 80 frame (you can see that, and Russell's, are full Hertage assemblies due to the threaded bolsters), say "that'll work", and put them together. Now, whether this happened for an SFO they were lucky enough to find, or it was put together pre-auction, I'm not sure that we'll ever know. Boxes were NO problem, just needed an 8OT box. There was a packing table about a mile long, with a rack along the middle that had hundreds of ink pad rubber stamps for just about any assembly ever made. Just needed to find the right one and stamp the box. That's kinda MHO about how that particular knife may have come about, although it's darned possible I may be way off of course. I recently saw a Heritage barlow with the non-Heritage blades as well. Can't remember who posted it though. They're nice unique knives with good old 1095 steel to boot:thumbup:

Eric

This is my take on these knives Eric. As I have said both on and off the forum, I don't know the answer for sure and I don't think many people do. Dave Swinden might, but he isn't talking. FYI- the brown boxes were retired and the "A Sharp Idea" tan boxes introduced at about the same time the clam packs appeared, c1984-85. This does not mean there were not pallets of them left in the plant in July, 2004.

 

[ea42]

Serialization is a good indicator of a legit production example, as this was normally done once the knives were completely assembled, and they serialized just about every limited edition and SFO.

Michael, there were pallets of everything! The brown boxes were mostly blank though, as they hot stamped them in-house.

Eric

 

[thawk]

Here's my 8OT RB in the box it came in, have the other two in the same woodgrain boxes with stickers, all tang stamped the same as well, with NY in the stamp. I think Bob's is a newer stamp sans the "NY". These came out around 1984-5 as a set of three in a faux alligator skin jewelry case, but they may have been individually packed in the boxes.

Thing thing with the Swinden knives is that you have a frame, say the 8OT, that's basically assembled with the blades and springs attached, and then you have the handles, also basically assembled with bolsters, shields, and handle material attached. All you need to do is twist them together and add the pivot pin, and you have a completed knife. (That's kinda simplified of course). So now, if there are a box of 8OT frame assemblies that you want to get rid of, you look on the shelf, see that box of old Heritage handle assemblies for the 80 frame (you can see that, and Russell's, are full Hertage assemblies due to the threaded bolsters), say "that'll work", and put them together. Now, whether this happened for an SFO they were lucky enough to find, or it was put together pre-auction, I'm not sure that we'll ever know. Boxes were NO problem, just needed an 8OT box. There was a packing table about a mile long, with a rack along the middle that had hundreds of ink pad rubber stamps for just about any assembly ever made. Just needed to find the right one and stamp the box. That's kinda MHO about how that particular knife may have come about, although it's darned possible I may be way off of course. I recently saw a Heritage barlow with the non-Heritage blades as well. Can't remember who posted it though. They're nice unique knives with good old 1095 steel to boot:thumbup:

Bob's newest one of course is the newer stamp, but each example I've ever seen like yours Eric, with the fancy Old Timer Shield, and serialized, has had the Schrade NY USA 3 line stamp, both the 34OT and the 8OT, and I believe the 108OT does as well. I'm glad you mentioned the alligator case, I've wondered how the set was presented. Wonder if they made a flyer for that set? I always assumed that set was released around the time of the Heritage Series.

It is a great looking knife. I'd love to have the complete set. It is pretty uncommon.

 

[Bob W]

So now, if there are a box of 8OT frame assemblies that you want to get rid of, you look on the shelf, see that box of old Heritage handle assemblies for the 80 frame (you can see that, and Russell's, are full Hertage assemblies due to the threaded bolsters), say "that'll work", and put them together. Now, whether this happened for an SFO they were lucky enough to find, or it was put together pre-auction, I'm not sure that we'll ever know. Boxes were NO problem, just needed an 8OT box. There was a packing table about a mile long, with a rack along the middle that had hundreds of ink pad rubber stamps for just about any assembly ever made. Just needed to find the right one and stamp the box. That's kinda MHO about how that particular knife may have come about, although it's darned possible I may be way off of course.

That certainly seems plausible. Thanks for the insight.

 

[Bob W]

Bob's newest one of course is the newer stamp, but each example I've ever seen like yours Eric, with the fancy Old Timer Shield, and serialized, has had the Schrade NY USA 3 line stamp, both the 34OT and the 8OT, and I believe the 108OT does as well.

I think you're on to something there. The "1983" Heritage Old Timer has a newer tang stamp than the 1985(?) Anniversary set.

I'm glad you mentioned the alligator case, I've wondered how the set was presented.

Until recently I had always thought the alligator-ish jewelry box was not original, but simply added by a previous owner. That was, until someone else posted a set of three in the exact same case. :barf:

Wonder if they made a flyer for that set? I always assumed that set was released around the time of the Heritage Series.

The three-piece bone set was two years newer than the Heritage set, if my memory is correct. I also recall someone writing that the set was an exclusive through Smoky Mountain Knife Works (who might be responsible for the alligator cases).

It is a great looking knife. I'd love to have the complete set. It is pretty uncommon.

And how!

 

[Bob W]

Here's tonight's scan showing the "Heritage Old Timer" and three other relevant pocketknives discussed in the topic so far.

From top to bottom:
1) Standard 8OT Old Timer
2) 8OT from the 1985 Anniversary bone handled set
3) Heritage Old Timer
4) Heritage Schrade

 

[thawk]

Couple of example pictures from Ebay. Green Bone 8OT, no shield.

 

[runninmike]

I had bought new, from a loose shelf of knives in a store @ Aberdeen, Md, a schrade muskrat pattern with no logo on the scales and it said schrade heritage+ on one of the blades. The handles were the same bright red smooth bone shown on some of the knives posted here earlier in this thread. The blades were stainless and one was polished, one was brushed. I think mine was a factory 2nd as it had a couple x's on the same marked tang, but really it didn't look like there was any defect or blade shortness or anything like that. I think maybe the fact that one blade was polished, and one one brushed caused them to send it on as a 2nd. Both blades were clip pattern and one was just slightly curved to give it a more pronounced curve like i have seen on some other brand muskrats.
I gave the knife to a bil, so no picts. Wonder if anyone has any of these? It would be neat to see.
Best, Mike

 

[woseyjales]

It's been a few years since, but one knowledgeable Schradeaholic in Ohio
told me some of the parts purchased at the 2004 closing were being
assembled into knives.
This may explain why so many mismatched oddball knives are surfacing.
In the 'Bay, I've seen silver anniversary stirling bolsters on 34s with no shield
and regular 34OT tang stamp.

Here is one I bought with 1983 Heritage type smooth green bone and coined
edge split date shield but has non Heritage blades. (no everlastingly sharp etch,
no Heritage tang stamp)
Of course it is a lot easier to find knife to box mismatches in all brands.

 

[thawk]

Wosey - Are the blades on the barlow SCHRADE+ or are they carbon? They are in tip top shape for an 83, that's for sure. The blade man put a nice swedge on that clip blade.

 

[ea42]

Hey guys, here's what I meant about the mile long packing tables. Note the endless supply of stamps, many were for stamping the ends of the larger boxes that held a half dozen or a dozen knives each:

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[thawk]

Interesting Eric. What's in those long horizontal boxes, laying on the floor with the white loops of paper draped over the top?

 

[ea42]

Hal, those are knife trays, used to transport knives in various stages of completion around the factory. Most everyone working at a station had a stack of them lying next to them containing the day's work. Those particular ones held fixed blade knives, with the blades slid into the slots so the knives stood on end. Most of them had no slots. The boxes are wood, and there were a gazillion of them there. I may have a picture of one with some knives in it somewhere.

Eric

 

[Jamo]

Here is another Heritage 83 that is similar to Bob's 86. Has a tang 8341 on the other side .

 

[woseyjales]

Thawk, The 'hybrid' Barlio I posted has Schrade + over USA SC506 tang stamp.
Not only nize swedge, he also left handles w/more squared edges & thickerer
than my H2661s.

Hereza few genUwine Schwade Hermitages...one 1985 flavor, rest 1983.

8341B

8341G

8801R

8801B

2661G

2661R

2661B

7801G

Sorry, that's all I've been able to scrounge together so far.

 

[Bob W]

Those Barlows look fantastic!

 

[beta464]

Just when you think you get something figured out with Schrade. Another member pointed out that very knife, and I gave him wrong information, saying the box was not original. I've seen this combination without a shield too.

Maybe they had some left over from 1983 that were assembled with 8OT blades for whatever reason. If completely planned, I would have thought they'd have put OLD TIMER shields on them.

Anyone know the year they switched from brown boxes to Sharp Idea boxes? I would guess after 1983. At any rate, that is a great knife Bob!

that couldn't be it because pre 1990's the 8OTs had a french style nail nick the one i his picture does not