I was responding to apelt's last e-mail. I thought it was over yesterday. Come home today and read your e-mail, no biggie it's over . But then i read apelts response from last night. How about you get your facts straight before you call me a whiner. I knew you wrote the e-mail. What does that have to do with anything? So i have no idea what you are talking about. How about you get the whole picture instead of putting me down for responding to one of your moderators, who wouldn't let it go. Read all my responses from the last year am i that bad? I'm not some snot nosed kid when you say jump i gonna say how high. And when you make remarks about my faith, i pisses me off. You have no idea what i do for the community or anything else. I'll pray and repent tonight. I'm no Mother Teresa but i'm also not some Christian doormat.
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hey morrow
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Claymoore, in all earnest trying to help you: These never end well. If you really don't want to be a part of the forum, by all means, continue down this path, but do so in full expectation of a ban. That would be too bad, as this really is a great group of people, and you could learn much. Don't get upset when you don't get the answers you were expecting, and then take it out on the Mods.
You may still have a chance to stop this, and I urge you to do just that.
If not, well, goodbye!
Ken
You may still have a chance to stop this, and I urge you to do just that.
If not, well, goodbye!
Ken
Thanks Ken,
But you see i at the time didn't see that "i wasn't getting the answer i wanted" i took it as a disrespectful answer to a honest question i had. That's the way i felt at the time. Can't take it back. Then i was backed into a corner and i'm gonna fight back. Something i'm working on. Thanks for the kind words of advise.
Clay
But you see i at the time didn't see that "i wasn't getting the answer i wanted" i took it as a disrespectful answer to a honest question i had. That's the way i felt at the time. Can't take it back. Then i was backed into a corner and i'm gonna fight back. Something i'm working on. Thanks for the kind words of advise.
Clay
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It has to do with a thread that he started in the Makers area in which he was given excellent advice that he didn't like.
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A man asked a question. I simply answered it truthfully. I need no excuse to be honest.
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Just an observation, but you seem to have a short fuse. I read the previous thread(s), so I am informed to some extent on what happened. Instead of just dropping it and moving on, or maybe regrouping, you simply started digging a deeper hole. Every response is laden with snide, sarcastic commentary. That might be why you started getting the reaction you did. As far as I am aware, no one here has anything against you personally, it's just the overall tone that your posting conveys, it's a tone of anger and cynicism, that will not get you far anywhere you go. Carry on, Morrow will be along soon.
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Not that I want to feed the flames here, but when someone asks how to drive a car into a wall at flank speed, and the answers are to try driving slower and keep to the road (just an example), it's really just meant to be helpful. They were just trying to steer you in the right direction, for your own benefit. Not to mention most makers are delighted to see someone new take up the craft.
There are many costs for a custom knifemaker, a few of which..
Good belts for a 2x72" cost ~$10 each, and it takes several to grind a bevel, before and after HT.
Machines running 1.5 -3 HP electric motors use lots of power.
The machines themselves are usually thousands.
Skilled labour as well, most experienced makers willing to do large volume are going to charge accordingly.. small runs maybe even more-so.
It really is cheaper (and more rewarding) to put the money to better use (if you have any intentions of making knives I mean).
Like I said I'm not trying to further the problem, but they were being honest and as helpful as they know how. It's a great group of guys in that forum, and immensely knowledgeable, always willing to help and teach. They do deserve some thanks and respect for that (at least from me), really they ask nothing else in return (and usually not even that).
I'm not saying you should go apologize or anything, you believe what you like. But I'm a fairly new maker who learned much from the people in Shop Talk, and learned a bit about their personalities as well. I believe if you go in with the right attitude and are willing to learn, it could be a good experience.
I've seen a couple users come in and have a bad experience like that, but made amends and became happily part of the group. I'd rather see that happen here than just another user that got mad and left, but it's entirely up to you of course.
There are many costs for a custom knifemaker, a few of which..
Good belts for a 2x72" cost ~$10 each, and it takes several to grind a bevel, before and after HT.
Machines running 1.5 -3 HP electric motors use lots of power.
The machines themselves are usually thousands.
Skilled labour as well, most experienced makers willing to do large volume are going to charge accordingly.. small runs maybe even more-so.
It really is cheaper (and more rewarding) to put the money to better use (if you have any intentions of making knives I mean).
Like I said I'm not trying to further the problem, but they were being honest and as helpful as they know how. It's a great group of guys in that forum, and immensely knowledgeable, always willing to help and teach. They do deserve some thanks and respect for that (at least from me), really they ask nothing else in return (and usually not even that).
I'm not saying you should go apologize or anything, you believe what you like. But I'm a fairly new maker who learned much from the people in Shop Talk, and learned a bit about their personalities as well. I believe if you go in with the right attitude and are willing to learn, it could be a good experience.
I've seen a couple users come in and have a bad experience like that, but made amends and became happily part of the group. I'd rather see that happen here than just another user that got mad and left, but it's entirely up to you of course.
mgysgthath, i have nothing but the up most respect for the people that spend time helping others with their knowledge and time on this forum. I probably have 90 responses just telling people thank you for sharing and/or beautiful piece of work.I like this forum and the people here. I spend probably an hour a day reading about technique's and practicing on my own blades. The book would be 5ft. thick if all the advice was written down from here. Let's just move on. How about responses going out to the people who sit back and feed the fire like you said. Just look up (NOT Haze, kbrasmodler). I'm done. I was 2 hrs ago. Your advice is awesome.
Thank you
Clay
Thank you
Clay
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Apparently, you don't know his type. Ken's a good guy. So many members have tried to help you, and plead with you to reign it in...yet you swat their advice away and act the fool. It won't be me that does it but I'm pretty sure this is where you will be leaving us.
Vaya con Dios...
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Dig away clay
Dig away
You get good advice
And 'twas for free
Then you recompense
On their head with pee
I come in peace
Doth proclaim
But sassin Mods
Is your game.
Read some more
And post some less
End result
Is less duress
Dig away clay
Dig away.
Dig away
You get good advice
And 'twas for free
Then you recompense
On their head with pee
I come in peace
Doth proclaim
But sassin Mods
Is your game.
Read some more
And post some less
End result
Is less duress
Dig away clay
Dig away.
Morrow
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Geez...there is stupid and then there is stuuuuuuuupid.
Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith
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This whole situation is a shining example of why I feel that enabled email should be a requirement for registered users.
I would have preferred to send him an email but had to do it in the public forum, because it was not an available choice. This has been a problem many times when a simple warning or correction was needed. Like all humans they get defensive when singled out in public.
I would have preferred to send him an email but had to do it in the public forum, because it was not an available choice. This has been a problem many times when a simple warning or correction was needed. Like all humans they get defensive when singled out in public.
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That's an interesting point, Stacy. Although in this case I doubt it would have made a difference. I'm sorry if I exacerbated the situation, I was just being honest. Perhaps I should stop doing that so much or so directly?