Hey! What happened to the David Dempsey S30V knife pics out here?

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Knifemaker David Dempsey posted a picture earlier tonight that had some cool new knives made from S30V. I responded to the post and clicked on the "send me an email" if someone replies box. I received an email that someone had replied to the post, but when I clicked the link the post had mysteriously vanished. What happened guys?

I wanted to take another look at those S30V knives. Someone bring them back.:rolleyes:
 
Several moderators from the site conferred and agreed that the posting was a bit too commercial and it was removed to the "Back End". David has been contacted by one of the moderators in regard to the post.
 
Hey guys, look, I just want you to know that I've written to Spark and the other moderators to get together and work out whatever parameters they want to set for The Gallery in terms of what is/isn't okay.

I have enough trouble with being an LEO in the real world and trying to help Gus in the Custom Forum so I don't want anyone to think that this stuff is taken lightly or done with a heavy-handed attitude.

I hope that wiser minds than mine will come up with a just solution that'll make everyone happy.

David Dempsey and I have been in touch via email (cordially, I might add) and I have advised him of the above as well. I believe that the message sent by the originating moderator may have bounced.

I hope for a speedy resolution.

Thanks for your understanding.
 
Blues, you do the best you can. I have no problem with that.

David, please re-post the picture and just state that these are some knives that you are taking to Blade with you. Many do that and it seems to be OK. I think those knives look great and would like to be able to see them again.
 
Keith,

Thanks for your support, but before you get involved in giving advice, let Spark and the mods hash this out.

It's the references to the fact that it's going to be available (or physically located) at the Blade Show that create problems to begin with. We don't need to get into acrobatic semantics now on top of it all or we'll need Dewey, Cheatham & Howe to take over.

Thanks. A little patience here will go a long way.
 
Hey All,

I appreciate the support guy's. I do my best to stay within bounds, and if I crossed the line, my apologies.

David Dempsey
 
I'm still trying to figure out exactly why a custom maker is a threat to the forums. In the end it comes down to money. Why can't you just charge the custom makers a small fee for posting their pictures if it's all about money. Perhaps $15-$20 may be considered reasonable.
If we keep pushing the system here and there everyone is going to get tired of the format and move on.
Involving attorneys will not solve anything. Apparently even our wonderful Constitution is open to any and all forms of interpretation.:rolleyes:
The Dempsey posts and others like it have been placed in the gallery for quite some time. Why all of a sudden does it become a threat? Sometimes I wonder if the rules are not changing as the game is being played.
I know that we cannot make everyone happy out here, but the guidelines need to be set and not compromised.
 
I think I must be losing my mind. I would swear that that thread by A.T. was not in the Knife Maker's Corner originally, but it doesn't show as having been moved.

Sorry Blues, but I really didn't think that I was giving advice since I had seen other threads about knives that were going to Blade that had not been removed I assumed that that could not possibly be the reason that David's was.

I really hope that BladeForums isn't going to get so bogged down with rules about posting pictures of knives that makers are going to just stop posting them because it isn't worth the hassle. I like seeing pictures of knives and it seems like there are more and more restrictions being put on the posting of these pictures. Just about any picture of a knife that is being posted by a maker could be thought of as plugging their product. I sure hope that it doesn't get to the point where makers can only post pictures in the Knife Maker's Corner. As far as I am concerned, that would really suck.

Thanks for sending me that picture Jeff, it was really appreciated.
 
Originally posted by KWM
.... I sure hope that it doesn't get to the point where makers can only post pictures in the Knife Maker's Corner. As far as I am concerned, that would really suck.
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Actually I visit the Maker´s Corner more often now since the rules here are so strict.

David
 
damn all weekend long and no resolution, not even an explination.....cant say as I am surprised :rolleyes:

I'm glad David also posted his pic at the 'other' place...makers are actually WELCOME there.
 
Originally posted by Nosamk
I'm glad David also posted his pic at the 'other' place...makers are actually WELCOME there.
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Can you e-mail me a link? I checked few "other" places but could not find it.

David
 
Instead of making pithy comments and accusing us of doing something we aren't, how about taking a step back and looking at it from our point of view.

The Gallery is here to post pictures of knives. We opened it at your request, with explicit instructions not to turn this into a for sale forums.

David made a post saying essentially, "Here's some knives I made, check them out, I'll have them for sale at Blade". That is not allowed. The moderators noticed, moved the thread, and I personally contacted David that he'd be welcome to repost it after Blade, but as it was, it was an advertisment.

Our policies are very simple and easy to follow. We are easy to work with, provided you <b>work with</b> us.

Dexter is going to be added as a moderator to this forum in the near future, and he will be moving (or editing) all threads that are advertising. Again, the Gallery is here for pictures, not for selling.

Kevin

Kevin
 
Spark-

assuming probably 75% of the ppl that read this forum didnt go to Blade I dont really think it was selling but I guess thats a judgement call. Where should his post have been? The custom forum as the one by A.T. Barr that wasnt moved? *IF* that was the appropriate place, then why wouldnt the moderator have moved it there instead of REmoving it?
 
I see the Bladeforums point of view. What seems to have concerned many of us is that you singled out the David Dempsey post and did not remove any other posts from custom makers.

If you think about it---- any post by a custom maker that shows a knife that they have made is an advertisement saying "I have made this knife and it will be available for sale." Whether or not they state that the knife will be available at Blade, from their workshop, or from their home is beside the point. Even if they do not state that the knife is available for sale we all know that it is for sale by the simple fact that it has been posted for us to view in the gallery.
If David Dempsey is going to receive a slap on the wrist instead of the pat on his back he deserves then the same should apply for all.
Even if I or anyone else should post a picture in the gallery then in fact we too have advertised for a maker. The knife we show may not be readily available for sale but it could be available to order directly from our favorite maker.:rolleyes:

Again, any picture posted on bladeforums whether intentional or not is still indirectly advertising for a knife company, custom maker, watch company, car company, gun manufacturer, Playboy centerfold, etc, etc, etc,.....................:cool:
 
What I am wondering about is why the other makers that posted here and said that these knives were going to Blade did not get the same treatment. Does the maker actually have to say straight out that the knife/knives are or will be for sale to have the thread moved? By the way, if the thread got moved to the Back End, in reality it was deleted. The only people that can see it there are the moderators.

Spark, I do understand your point of view on this. I also agree that this forum should not be turned into a for sale forum, but any time a maker posts a picture of a knife that he/she has just completed it is advertising. In fact, any time the maker posts any picture of a knife he/she is advertising. That is one of the big reasons that makers come to the forums. They can show off their knives in hopes that doing so will help sales.

I just don't want this to get to the point where makers will not feel comfortable posting pictures because they do not know if it will be considered advertising. The Gallery Forum has become one of my favorite and that is because I get to see pictures of knives posted by both knife knuts and makers and I would hate to see that change.

Are strict rules about posting pictures going to be drawn up and posted somewhere? That way the rules are there for everyone to see and that should help people understand what is acceptable and what is not. In my opinion this should not be an arbitrary thing. The rules should apply to all people at all times and not be left open to interpretation.
 
It's all a judgement call - one of the reasons why Dex is going to get assigned as a moderator. If something is inappropriate / advertising it should be be moved to the appropriate forum. If a knifemaker wants to highlight something he's making, maybe he should perhaps post it in the KnifeMakers "For Sale" section, yes yes? Proper prior planning and all.

I'm not interested in a coulda woulda shoulda discussion - I don't have the time to waste. I don't like clamping down on threads, but I will stand behind my moderators when they say something needed to be moved. Period.

"Why was David singled out?" - sorry, that's a non starter, it's like trying to argue out of a speeding ticket by saying everyone else was speeding. Instead of complaining, how about we use this as a little learning experience - I hate having to be the parent to a bunch of squalling kids, so the more personal responsibility shown, the less moderating that has to be done.

Kevin
 
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