HF mill

SBuzek

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Hi Guys, Need some help with a HF mill.
After gitting it set up and running I put in a 1/2" collet and used a 1/2" rod to attach my dial indicator . I have zero at the front of the work table,.004 at the center of the table and .006 at the back of the table.
My question is , how do i correct this.
Thanks
Stan
 
Is it a knee mill? Z axis might be loose, allowing the X and Y to tilt forward. If so, a simple adjustment to the gibs may help. Do you have a pict of the mill or a link to the model?

Can you measure play in it when you lift on the table?
 
Define your parameters.

I assume you're clamping the dial indicator to the rod in the quill. Not the best of ideas, as the quill can turn. Try clamping it to a solid part of the headstock, and make sure the headstock locks are snugged.

Next, I assume you're contacting and slightly preloading the indicator against the three faces, in turn, of the table (front, top and back.) And then, presumably, cranking the table back and forth to see what the indicator shows. Right?

Zero deviation on the front edge is irrelevant, as is six thou on the back face. Work is rarely, if ever, clamped there, let alone indexed off those faces.

0.004" in the middle is not bad, but depends on the type of deviation. Do you start with a zeroed indicator at the extreme left-hand table travel, which gradually turns into a positive .004" reading? (IE, the table ramps up to the right. It could also ramp down to the right.)

Or does it start at zero at the extreme left, ramp up to .004" in the center, and taper back off to zero at the extreme right? (Called "hog". Dropping down that .004" would be "sag".)

Or does it stay at .004" for 3/4 of the table travel, then ramp up/down that four thou rapidly?

Or, your description could be taken as you measured the top of the table at the front, middle and back thirds, in between the table slots. Meaning that, if it was, say, zero on all three at the left, the right-rear corner curls up like a dog-eared piece of paper.

Some of these are worse from a using standpoint than the others, but four thou is a small enough deviation that even in the worst case, you'd likely hardly notice it for any part you might be making for a knife handle. If your table has about 18" of travel, assuming the deviation was consistent, it'd be one thou every four and a half inches. For a two-inch bolster, you could expect a half-thou error just from the machine... and if that's not accurate enough for you, yer a better man than I. :D

Doc.
 
Hi Stan,
We called what you want to do "tramming" the spindle to the table. Unfortunately I don't believe there is simple fix for the problem with your column style mill/drill. A knee mill, such as Nathan mentioned has adjustments on the head that allow you to tweak the tramm. A mill/drill (I believe) does not. It is what it is. I primarily use my mill/drill for milling and drilling ops that aren't that critical and my Bridgeport for the more fussy things. Keep us posted, especially if you find a fix ;)
 
Ah, I see.

Well, it isn't the knee...


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Did you measure the error while sweeping the indicator or while feeding the table? You'll measure a different type of error. If you measured the error while feeding the table, your table is wedge shaped. If you measured it while sweeping the indicator, the axis of the spindle is not perpendicular with the top if the table.

If the axis of the spindle is not perpendicular with the top of the table (a common problem) you need to tram in the head, possibly with shims between the column and the base. You'll want to assemble a good setup to sweep the table accurately before starting anything like this.

If your table is wedge shaped, meaning it gets thicker from front to back, there could be an error in the dovetail grinds. Using a transfer fluid to spot in your ways is probably beyond a home shop machinist, so I don't know what you'll do.

My opinion, .006" error over a foot is a problem.
 
Thanks for the info guys,
Yes I was clamping in the quill,will try off the base,or other solid surface.
I checked with table centered then turned the quill to check center and rear.
There was 0 deviation on the X axis.
So probaly need to upgrade my skills and try again.
Stan
 
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