HI Seax and AK Bowie mini showdown

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I took my new seax and my new bowie (both deals of the day!) and did a little informal and fairly uneducated testing. It was too cold here in Vermont to do much.

The seax is much more comfortable in the hand. The wooden handle fills my hand better, its lighter and more lively in the hand. It did a pretty good job cutting sumac and maple limbs up to about 3 inches in diameter. It didn't remove as much material with each chop as the bowie, but it was a lot quicker and didn't get stuck in the wood as much as the bowie.

The bowie was very uncomfortable in my hand. The handle is quick small, and has that big round metal circle at the end of the handle, with a lanyard hole in it. That chunk of metal kind of dug into my hand when I chopped. It cut sumac and maple with more authority than the seax, but got stuck more and was a little slower, although taking less chops to do the same job.

The both debarked a couple of limbs easily and easily cut through about 3 feet of carpet with minimal effort. Neither one did well on cardboard, although the slimmer seax blade did better. The bowie just tore it. Neither one would cut paper or shave hair. I jabbed a couple of things just for fun, the seax was superior there too. I didn't try to pry much, but the bowie was clearly better for that kind of job.

Neither one showed any worse for wear after this light\medium duty, no rolling or dings or chipping.

I find them both almost impossible to sharpen, however.

Final result. The seax is unique but it would be a very good and handy camp knife but the sheath would have to be replaced. The bowie is everything it looks like, but that handle just doesn't fit my hand.
 
Shann -- I had the same problem with my AK Bowie, the grip was too small for heavy chopping. (Fine for cutting, though.) I solved the problem by wrapping the handle with paracord and painting a coat of 2-ton epoxy over the outside. Solved the problem and it actually looks quite nice. Make sure the wrap covers the upper half or so of the butt, both to protect the edge of your hand from the ring and to help keep it off there in the first place.

Good observations, by the way. I've been curious about the seax ever since I saw one. Hopefully another blem will come up one of these days and I'll spot it before anyone else does. :)
 
Satori said:
Shann -- I had the same problem with my AK Bowie, the grip was too small for heavy chopping. (Fine for cutting, though.) I solved the problem by wrapping the handle with paracord and painting a coat of 2-ton epoxy over the outside. Solved the problem and it actually looks quite nice. Make sure the wrap covers the upper half or so of the butt, both to protect the edge of your hand from the ring and to help keep it off there in the first place.

Good observations, by the way. I've been curious about the seax ever since I saw one. Hopefully another blem will come up one of these days and I'll spot it before anyone else does. :)


Thanks for the idea. Can you post a picture?

I was lucky with the seax. I was on the computer when it came up and I grabbed it almost immediately. The only "blem" that I could find was a little rust down by the handle.
 
Shann said:
Thanks for the idea. Can you post a picture?

I was lucky with the seax. I was on the computer when it came up and I grabbed it almost immediately. The only "blem" that I could find was a little rust down by the handle.

I suppose I could post a pic. I just have to find out how, and locate my camera.

I remember when you snatched that seax. They were coming out kind of regularly for a few special deals there. Hopefully there're a few more kicking around. I'm interested now. :)
 
The AK Bowie has a bit of a hollow grind to it. So, naturally, it will bind more than the seax, which is a full flat grind.

The difficulty in sharpening could be anything....method, technique, materials, etc. Tell us exactly what you're doing and we can help. I've had no problems sharpening any of the AK Bowies that have passed my hands. Same with the Seax. I'm a cheater, though. :p

Great test-n-report. Love it.

Here's what my first AK Bowie did:

http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/AKBowie4.wmv
10 sheets, IIRC

Yours can too with a little work.

Got a kobra to do 40 sheets....;)

http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/40sheets.wmv
 
Daniel Koster said:
The difficulty in sharpening could be anything....method, technique, materials, etc. Tell us exactly what you're doing and we can help. I've had no problems sharpening any of the AK Bowies that have passed my hands. Same with the Seax. I'm a cheater, though. :p

Probably method, technique and materials! Anyway, I originally tried the bowie on the sharpmaker. Very difficult to do. Then I tried convexing the bowie with 220 grit sandpaper and mousepad. I have been informed I was doing it wrong. I was no waiting to get a burr on one side before flipping sides. Also, I think I was using too high an angle and rounding off the edge too much. Thom is sending me your cd (Thanks Thom :) ) Basically, I have no power tools. I have a couple stones, sandpaper and the sharpmaker. I am not that handy, but I am enjoying working on the knives at night in front of the tv.
 
Keep after it, Shann. I too am not all that handy, nor do i have any power tools. It took me a long time to get my blade sharpening tech. down to a science. I'll never get my blades as sharp as Dan's, but I always start out stropping the blade on one of those sanding blocks, then i move to a toothy butcher's steel, then to a worn butcher's steel, then a chakma to smooth out anything the steels missed, then i strop on the rough side of an old belt, then on the smoother side, finally my pant leg. It generally takes me about 4 days working 1-11/2 hours a night on the blades while i'm watching TV. Like I said, they'll never be as sharp as Dan's, but they'll shave hair easily and cut to the bone (trust me on that one). Hang in there. you'll find a method that works for you soon enough. It's taken me the better part of 2 years to get my po'boy method down;)

Jake
 
You can get a shaving edge with a Norton fine India stone in less than 5 minutes. I usually finish up with a finer, natural stone.
This will not be a convex edge, but there is no reason that you can't get a convex edge with a Norton India Stone. The Norton stone is just a fine aluminum oxide. For those of you using waterstones, the edge is considerably sharper than I can get from a 1000 grit Shapton waterstone (despite what any of the grit tables printed in catalogs or sharpening books say), and India stones are relatively inexpensive. They work much better than the generic aluminum oxide sharpening stones you see at hardware stores, and may be all than anyone really needs for sharpening something like a Kukhuri, kitchen knife, or ax.
Mail order places like Lee Valley or Woodcraft sell the Norton oilstones.
 
samoand said:
Wow, all I can say. How do you get them to be like this? My knives are razor sharp, but nowhere near those in the clips.
More eye candy

http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/cleaver.wmv
http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/kobra4.wmv
http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/magvid2.wmv
http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/magvid1.wmv


Convex edge, stropped to a fine polish

Sharpen on finer grit sandpapers and strop on leather until you get a smooth edge.

Check, like this:

http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/nail-test.wmv
(should scrape - and not glide - across your fingernail....and when you run your fingernail down the edge, should feel smooth as glass)


Your khuk should be able to do this:

http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/khuk-test.wmv



Despite how mythical some make it seem, it is not hard. Just takes understanding and application. The khuk in the test above was sharpened by hand...literally....like this:

http://www.pendentive.biz/blades/5.wmv
(It looks like I'm sanding the whole blade....and, actually, I did for a little bit there....but most of my energy/effort was put into the last 1/16" of the edge. I don't necessarily recommend this for first-timers - easy to cut yourself - just wanted to show it can be done.)
 
arty said:
I can't seem to see any of the images from Dan.
What is up?

They're little movie clips. Do a "right-click and save as" on them and then play them off your computer.
 
(you need the latest windows media player)
 
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