Hideaway Kinives?

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Just checking if anyone knows what might be happening with Hideaway Knives. I ordered and paid for 3 available Haks some weeks ago. The status on the website still has them as not shipped and emails are not being answered. Should I be worried? (Please excuse me typing mistake in the title. I couldn't edit it out)
 
Not sure what is going on, but you might get a quicker answer at:
www.badlandsforums.com/forums/index.php . The Hideaway forum is run by the lady who owns the company. Her knife grinders also hang out there & usually know where she is. She's out of town alot because of her "real" job. Great knives by the way, you're gonna like em! HTH.
 
I wouldn't worry. FrontSight has been in the business for over two years and enjoys the support of some of the best knife grinders and sheath makers in the business. From what I've heard, it can take a month or more even for "available" knives to ship. She has a shipping assistant, but knives are not her full time job.

I've got an "available" HAK also waiting for shipping. If you think waiting a month is bad, just put yourself on the list for a Talonite Strider. I think some people have been waiting for more than a year now. :)
 
Thankyou for your replies. Now I know this is not unusual, I feel more comfortable. I have to admit I was worried.
 
Don't worry too much. She's a good lady and will see you right. Even available now knives can take a little while to get out - they might still need sheaths. I'd say you can put money on it that you'd have something in 3 weeks max.

Greg
 
July & August vacations and trips plus the Combat Tactics article timing has collided to create an overwelming # of emails to respond to. I honestly don't see how I'm *ever* going to answer all the emails that have accumulated in past 2 months.

Independent of the email situation, most already sheathed HideAways are being shipped within 3 weeks of order.

Glenn, if you did *not* order additional sheaths, and you are at week 6, there is definitely a problem somewhere!

Please email us with your email address of reservation.

FrontSight / FS Shipper
 
Ohhhhhhhhhh wait a sec - you are from Australia - Shipping associate has instructions to email you this first, and get a reply, before shipping. My apologies if this hasn't been done:

================== faq Australia shipping

Hi

An Australian customer send me this email:

"Australia post will no longer deliver firearm related products imported from overseas destination all imports will be returned or destroyed at AU posts discretion this includes any items that have valid import permits etc brought in after 1-2-06 also including scopes and stocks(I deal in McMillan and have recieved a letter from them stating they can no longer send stocks via the postal service) The text below is a direct copy taken from a weekly memo sent to all AU post branches

"Firearms in the post
Australia post has prohibited the posting or receipt of firearms and items of weaponery to or from an international country. This includes knives swords.(including toy or replicas)

Advise customers that any firearms or items of weaponry detected for posting to or from an international country will be returned to sender."

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Also this:

FS,

I have received a little more information about this bullshit from Australia Post.

As best I can determine:
- they will not handle International shipments of ANY firearms or firearm parts; and
- they say that knives and other weapons are also "prohibited", but then go on to say that for knives where there is a valid import permit, they will be OK.

Two issues come to mind:
- how the hell they will tell the difference between a magazine spring and the spring to hold my screen door shut is anyone's guess...

- (And relevant to your purposes) most knives do not require an import permit. If you try to get a permit for knives that do not require one, Customs refuses to issue it.

I have no idea whether Oz Post's position means that:
- they will let all knives through EXCEPT those that DO require an import permit AND which do not have one; or
- they will hold all knives EXCEPT those that have a permit.

If I see a deeply-hollow-ground straight in S30V in size 4.55 I am going to buy the thing and see what happens.

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I have since shipped HideAways that made it through just fine to Australia addresses.

*However*, Given this,
I sent my Shipping Assocate a note indicating to not ship to Australia again unless the customer is completely willing to take the risk of loss (i.e., We ship the expensive way - UPS, FedEx, and provide tracking, but no option for refund if customs confiscates.) Global Priority doesn't give a tracking #, only Global Express or UPS, FedEx. I hate to sound like a scrooge but an entire order loss takes a good number of sales to make up, and I could quickly be just losing money doing this.

Are you are willing to take the risk of loss?"
 
Yep, William from Hideaway Knives emailed me this morning to explain what was happening. It appears that there have been some recent confiscations of Hideaway knives sent to Australia and Hideaway Knives were waiting to see what was happening. I have looked at the Australian Customs laws and believe Hideaway Knives are legally able to be imported into Australia. But, bearing in mind the experiences of Hideaway Knives, the recent British terrorist problem and the general tightening of restrictions in all areas, and the general hysteria about knives that sometimes raises its ugly head in Australia, I have decided it is too much of a risk and decided not to proceed with the sale. I have asked Hideaway Knives to refund my payments. It's a pity, this would have been a very useful tool to own. :(
 
Hi Frontsight..please contact Jason at Elite Steel (jason@elitesteel.net) if you would like to sell these items in Australia(Glenn I suggest you email him also). Our club was talking about these a while ago and I can't remember if Jason could get them in or not, but he is the most likely person I know that could get them in.
 
Hey Frontsight, I got my first Hideaway a few days ago and I've been using it as much as possible so I have something constructive to say when I email you to thank you. My overall impression so far has been very good so far. I never take your knife off except to shower. (Eventually I'll probably get a titanium version so I don't even have to do that)

Time from placing my order to delivery was about one week. (I bought a 4.63" straight in 440C that was in stock.) My only complaint was that my knife was about as sharp as a butterknife when I received it. I could press and drag the blade against my arm without cutting myself. Not a difficult problem to overcome, though. Little, straight blade= easy to sharpen. I was impressed with all of the goodies included in the package- I especially appreciated to cord wraps that came with. It took about 5 minutes to cord wrap it and it was ready to go. The fit is perfect. Fit and finish (except for the initial edge) was perfect, and the bikini sheath it came with is snug and elegant.

Something I discovered: the plastic belt loop that comes with a CRKT Stiff Kiss fits perfectly on the stock straight Hideaway bikini sheath. You can adapt your Hideaway to a very low-profile, very fast and stable, horizontal belt rig using the belt loop and Chicago screws from a Stiff Kiss sheath. I tried this out of curiosity because I thought the distance between sheath grommets looked similar.

I am a big, big fan of the concept and the knife, and I plan to enjoy mine for a good long while (until I upgrade to one of the fancier models). I'll post some more notes once I have used the knife a little more. I have noticed that it's great for opening packages and CD cases.
 
Hey Frontsight and Glenn..just spoke with our club president (Jason of Elite Steel) and he said in Australia they are classified as a Class M category weapon in Australia meaning they need special licensing and therefore he won't be able to offer them. Sorry about that.
 
Well, that blows it. Hideaway Knives are definitely out for Australia then. It looks like someone in authority has made a decision. I would like to know how these decisions are made but I doubt we will ever find out. It is after all a single edged tool which are normally allowed into Australia. Daggers are not allowed into Australia and these are defined as any knife that has a top edge, partial or full, that can be sharpened. I hardly see the standard HAK as falling into that category.

Amazingly, you can buy sort of similar styled and functioning, but not as well designed, neck type knives in Australia in shops and these are also imported. I suspect someone in authority sees the name Hideaway and freaks out but who knows. I apologise to Frontline for any inconvenience I may have caused in ordering my HAKs. You have a great product.:(
 
Perhaps someday Australia will once again be a free place where ordinary law abiding people can buy and own firearms and knives with few restrictions. I am sure the criminals of Australia have absolutely no problem getting any kind of firearm or knife they want.

I suspect that with the ridiculous "Class M category weapon designation" that even HAKs made under license in Australia would be difficult to own.

Good luck to you down under!
 
I just bought a Hideaway from Frontsight. First I ordered a custom straight that had to be made from scratch. You can track the progress of your order on the Hideaway website (www.hideawayknife.com). My order sat at stage one (the first of about 10 or 12 stages) for about 10 days with nothing happening.

Then I rechecked the site and discovered a ready-to-buy Hideaway claw in my size and fell in love with it. I bought it outright, paying via PayPal and a credit card. When I tried to cancel the first knife order online, there was no way to do it. I didn't need two Hideaways, and at nearly $200 per knife (with S30V steel), they ain't cheap. The next day I checked the site and the custom knife I had tried to cancel had progressed to stage six! There is no way to contact Frontsight other than by email. There's no phone listed, no name, no address, no nuttin'. So I wrote her a few emails requesting that my first order be cancelled. I received no response.

Then I took a look at the knife I had ordered and decided I should have gone with the paracord wrap option on the handle for an extra $15. Again I wrote to Frontsight--another five emails, and again I received no response. And the website indicated that the knife I had just paid for was about to be shipped.

So one knife I no longer wanted was being made for me, and another order I wanted changed was about to be shipped without the change.

I contacted PayPal and initiated a dispute with the seller. I figured this would get Frontsight's attention because, as a registered PayPal seller, she has more than 1000 sales on record. When you initiate a dispute, PayPal wants to see the dispute resolved amicably or the seller is fined.

Presto--that got Frontsight's attention and she zipped me an email. She understood my frustration, she wrote, apologized for the hassle, cancelled my first order, and offered to have the knife I ordered paracord-wrapped if I still wanted it, or she would refund my money. I still wanted the knife. She explained that she had received 500 emails that day, which was why she hadn't responded to mine in a timely fashion.

I'm a journalist. I often cover entrepreneurs for national business magazines (when I'm not too busy writing about knives, haha). Small businesspeople who suddenly find themselves with a hot product on their hands and no way to handle all their inquiries and orders are as common as sand on a beach. Quite often success hinges on figuring out how to deal with the sudden avalanche of business before all those potential customers become permanently alienated. My sense is that Frontsight is at that point. The obvious solution--add staff--only works if you're making a decent profit.

So far, Frontsight indicates that she isn't. She needs to sit down with a good accountant who can run her numbers, help her do some forecasting, and grow her business. Entrepreneurs who fail to do this in a timely way tend to go belly up. That's especially true because the knife business is a copycat business. Sooner or later a larger outfit--CRKT, Spyderco, Cold Steel, or even Emerson--will come out with their own version of the Hideaway. All these folks are easy to deal with, and that's where the business will go.

Even though I initiated a PayPal dispute with Frontsight, I never believed she was out to rip me off. I suspected she was just in over her head in terms of orders and inquiries, as turned out to be the case. Custom knives are a tough racket. There isn't a ton of money in it. Be this as it may, Strider, Busse, Reeves, Mad Dog, and many others have figured out how to answer inquries, fulfill orders, and offer good customer service without having people complaining to their credit card companies. In fact, Strider collaborates with Frontsight on a Hideaway knife. Frontsight ought to ask Mick how he does it.

So that's the situation at present. If you must own a Hideaway--and I did--the best way to get what you want is to think long and hard about which knife and which options you want before you place an order (which I didn't), and be sure to check which knives may be already available for sale in your size if you're in a hurry. If you need to ask a question or change an order, your email is going to get stuck amid hundreds of others, and when it will be answered--if ever--is anyone's guess. Hope that changes soon.

Meanwhile, though, once I finally heard from Frontsight, and got my order changed to what I wanted, my knife was on its way to me that very next day. I still haven't received it yet but will post a review when it arrives.
 
Hotwriter, thankyou for that explanation. I have found that my emails to Hideaway Knives do seem to be a hit or a miss affair. Sometimes I have received an answer immediately, sometimes never. I know Frontsight is well respected and I wondered what was going on. I understand what might be happening now.

Frontsight, just in case you are reading this thread, and based on what has been written, I have sent a couple of emails in recent days asking for my order to Australia to be cancelled and for a refund of my two paypal payments. I have not received a response as yet and my order status on the hideaway website has not changed.
 
absolutly unbelievable, a sub 3" single edge knife illegal for importation into australia, & i though our laws were nutz lol.
 
I don't know if Frontsight ever goes to sleep. I received my refund and an email from Frontsight at a reasonable hour for Australia, but it must have been the early hours of the morning for Frontsight. I don't need to wish Frontsight well with the HAK's, they are a brilliant design, and I am still grumpy because they can't be imported into Australia.:grumpy:
 
Hey Glenn. I feel you. I would be interested to know the logic underlying Australia's draconian knife import law. I live in New Jersey where we knife lovers have our own problems. In the US, there are no national knife laws, only state ones, and every state is different. In Virginia, for example, you can walk around in public with a Bowie knife on your hip.

But in the Tri-State Area (New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut), you can't carry a knife in your pocket with a blade longer than 1.9 inches unless you are going to or are returning from a wilderness area and can prove it with a valid hunting or fishing license. You certainly can't walk around in public with the typical Strider or Busse knife on your belt.

In the States, a knife with a blade less than two inches long is known as "California legal." California passed this law because of their epidemic of gang violence, in which knives are often implicated. Well, a lot of cities have a gang violence problem now, and so the California legal standard is becoming more widely adopted. Of course, this is a blow to those of us who simply want to carry a knife as insurance--precisely the same principle as purchasing auto insurance: you don't expect calamity to befall you, but you always know it could and if it does you had better be prepared.

Our lawmakers couldn't care less about that. Their idea is that if you are attacked, you should call the police and let them handle it. This, of course, is a non-solution if you're already dead or severely wounded because you had nothing to defend yourself with when attacked.

Be this as it may, in New Jersey, if, say, a policeman stops you and conducts a body search, and finds, for example, an Emerson Commander (4-inch blade) in your pocket, you are legally entitled to receive a free semester at Rahway State for carrying an illegal concealed weapon, same as if you were carrying a firearm--and Rahway State ain't an institution of higher learning. (It's an institution of lower learning.) Some folks say they would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. As for me, I wouldn't like to be judged by 12 either.

This is partly why Hideaway knives have created a sensation. Most small knives with 1.9-inch blades are a joke. Whereas Hideways look to be serious weapons in a small, legal package. Frontsight has testimonials from law enforcement officers, federal agents, and military people singing the praises of her knives. These folks don't need to worry about the legality of the knife they carry. Some are looking for something small and easy to carry in place of a heavy, bulky monster knife. Others seek a backup to their main knife.

In any event, Frontsight has discovered that small is beautiful--and practical, too. Knife culture is largely dominated by men, but in every other area into which women have ventured--medicine, law, business, law enforcement--they have distinguished themselves. Frontsight has demonstrated that the knife world is no different.
 
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