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A case in point. Three GECs went up for sale here on BF. Less than five minutes later they were sold. Prices? Who knows? The seller, as many now do, immediately replaced the asking price with $sold.

Why? This practice hides the transaction from everyone else rendering impossible research into what is a fair BF market value for knives others may wish to sell. One could either seriously over or under price a knife. Some people may dislike eBay, but a little research on knife sales history will reveal the basic market value set by their transactions.
 
Mayonardo said:
A case in point. Three GECs went up for sale here on BF. Less than five minutes later they were sold. Prices? Who knows? The seller, as many now do, immediately replaced the asking price with $sold.

Why? This practice hides the transaction from everyone else rendering impossible research into what is a fair BF market value for knives others may wish to sell. One could either seriously over or under price a knife. Some people may dislike eBay, but a little research on knife sales history will reveal the basic market value set by their transactions.
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Thats beating a dead horse. Its been done ad nauseam. Do a forum search.
Prices change over time. You cant make an offer on a knife and go by what prices used to be/were x number of months ago.
You just have to be serious about monitoring knife prices/not let others do the homework for you.

Eflay prices are neither here nor there IMO. They can be all over the place and are no indication of anything (except that some knives are being offered for silly prices).
 
As to why-do a search. There are loads of threads on it, but in the end it is up to the seller if they choose to remove or not.
There is no blue book for secondary market prices. You ask what you want and if someone is willing to pay that a deal is made. Each is a unique event based on personal motivations. On popular items you may find a range most sell in, but if they are that popular you should be able to figure out that range with a little watching of the exchange.
Put in a little effort and you will figure it out
 
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Ya, it's a subject that's been beat to death. The asking price can be significantly different then what it sold for and could even involved a partial trade so using it for research may not be at all accurate. I have to admit it's nice to see what an average asking price may be at that time to gauge the current market. Honestly, I mostly just like to see what the initial price listing was on a knife I might have been after, so I can beat myself up for missing out on the occasional awesome knife deal, lol
 
Congratulations, Sir! I have added this thread to the list! BTW - I am a "price leaver".

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/hiding-the-price.1672315/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-delete-sale-price-could-benefit-the-market-greatly.1644933/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why.1642962/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-the-old.1630442/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/removing-your-sold-price-after-youve-sold-the-knife.1561347/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-do-people-remove-prices-of-sold-knives.1558879/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ot-save-the-price.1368264/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ya-know-what-really-pisses-me-off.1348404/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-delete-the-sold-price-in-the-exchange.687714/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-wont-a-moderator-make-the-rule-of.553021/#post-5585272

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ument-against-redacting-prices-of-sold-knives

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...y-do-people-nuke-prices-after-an-item-is-sold

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1175417-Leave-the-sale-price-on-sold-threads

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...f-line-Sharing-Sales-Prices-from-the-Exchange

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1033469-Why-do-prices-get-removed-after-sales

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1001858-Why-remove-asking-price

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...removed-in-the-exchange-after-a-knife-is-sold

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/687714-Why-delete-the-sold-price-in-the-exchange

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/521679-Why-is-the-price-often-removed

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mqqn
 
BladeScout said:
Thats beating a dead horse. Its been done ad nauseam. Do a forum search.
Prices change over time. You cant make an offer on a knife and go by what prices used to be/were x number of months ago.
You just have to be serious about monitoring knife prices/not let others do the homework for you.

Eflay prices are neither here nor there IMO. They can be all over the place and are no indication of anything (except that some knives are being offered for silly prices).
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I choose your reply as representative.

It appears that this is a horse that needs beating.
The idea is not to gauge your offering price by “what prices used to be/were [sic] x number of months ago”. It is the ability to track trends over time.
Homework? When certain knives have an exchange half-life measured in minutes your idea of “homework” is rather non-sensical.
eBay sold price histories do not reflect knives “being offered for silly prices”.

Regardless, I think quickly hiding sold prices does no good for the knife community.
 
mqqn said:
Congratulations, Sir! I have added this thread to the list! BTW - I am a "price leaver".

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/hiding-the-price.1672315/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-delete-sale-price-could-benefit-the-market-greatly.1644933/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why.1642962/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-the-old.1630442/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/removing-your-sold-price-after-youve-sold-the-knife.1561347/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-do-people-remove-prices-of-sold-knives.1558879/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ot-save-the-price.1368264/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ya-know-what-really-pisses-me-off.1348404/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-delete-the-sold-price-in-the-exchange.687714/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-wont-a-moderator-make-the-rule-of.553021/#post-5585272

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ument-against-redacting-prices-of-sold-knives

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...y-do-people-nuke-prices-after-an-item-is-sold

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1175417-Leave-the-sale-price-on-sold-threads

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...f-line-Sharing-Sales-Prices-from-the-Exchange

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1033469-Why-do-prices-get-removed-after-sales

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1001858-Why-remove-asking-price

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...removed-in-the-exchange-after-a-knife-is-sold

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/687714-Why-delete-the-sold-price-in-the-exchange

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/521679-Why-is-the-price-often-removed

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mqqn
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Amazing. Thanks.
 
No worries. I agree on leaving the price and always have. After many years of discussion, the rules were changed to disallow "friends and family" requests, so someday there may be a reckoning on the $sold$ cover-up, but until then, I have my list.....

best regards -

mqqn
 
Mayonardo said:
I choose your reply as representative.

It appears that this is a horse that needs beating.
The idea is not to gauge your offering price by “what prices used to be/were [sic] x number of months ago”. It is the ability to track trends over time.
Homework? When certain knives have an exchange half-life measured in minutes your idea of “homework” is rather non-sensical.
eBay sold price histories do not reflect knives “being offered for silly prices”.

Regardless, I think quickly hiding sold prices does no good for the knife community.
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What's the difference and what is the point if not to gauge an offering price?
 
You may get some value out of the prices being left, just as I get some from seeing the prices before they are sold, but I think those that want them left way over estimate that value. You don't know what it really sold for(less in many cases). You don't know why they were selling and how that affected the price they set or even how much effort they wanted to put into a sale. On the buyer side- how much they want one, how much they care about price and how much time they are willing to spend to find a price. Many factors affect the price set and obtained and the next guys(or gals) are going to have a completely different set of criteria.
 
This again?

BladeScout said:
Thats beating a dead horse. Its been done ad nauseam. Do a forum search.
Prices change over time. You cant make an offer on a knife and go by what prices used to be/were x number of months ago.
You just have to be serious about monitoring knife prices/not let others do the homework for you.

Eflay prices are neither here nor there IMO. They can be all over the place and are no indication of anything (except that some knives are being offered for silly prices).
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Agreed.

Mayonardo said:
I choose your reply as representative.

It appears that this is a horse that needs beating.
The idea is not to gauge your offering price by “what prices used to be/were [sic] x number of months ago”. It is the ability to track trends over time.
Homework? When certain knives have an exchange half-life measured in minutes your idea of “homework” is rather non-sensical.
eBay sold price histories do not reflect knives “being offered for silly prices”.

Regardless, I think quickly hiding sold prices does no good for the knife community.
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Well, some one did enough "homework" and got those knives.

And how do you know the listed price is the price paid? That fair market price you are about to pony up for may not be fair at all...
 
Although this subject has been beaten to death or nearly as it appears ...

I truely have no real preference ... I can see why some would like to see prices because they want to know if they can ask more for what they want to sell and may lose $10.00 profit if not ...

The price asked in most sale threads isn't what it sells for ... so it's not accurate really ...

And then I have seen knives selling for XXX amount range for awhile then one will get listed and sit until the seller drops the price 3 or 4 times ...

It's all about demand ... some knives are worth lots more after discontinued ... some they sell for less than original ...

I hate selling online anywhere, anything ... but when I decide to I do a few days research of my own and even with prices left of past sales ... I've posted and can't get a bite on that price ...

Other times I check and look and then list and I have 6 people want it in less than 2 minutes ... then see others for more the next day ...

So unless it's a business ... it is very fluid and all depends on how many people want what you're trying to sell + how many of those people happen to log on and actually see your sale thread ...

Some may want a knife but miss the initial listing and it drops down or falls to page two and it gets lost until you can drop the price or relist it in a couple weeks ...

so I'm neutral on caring if they leave it or not ... I can't think of once I've ever listed an item at the exact price someone just sold one at and got a quick sale or even a slow sale at the same price ...
 
Leaving the sales price may satisfy the curiosity of some members, but it really isn’t that helpful when it comes to selling your knife.
 
As a retired antiques dealer who sold one of a kind items it's habit for me to remove the price as it has no benefit to anyone. That being said I've sometimes revealed the price when asked.
 
craytab said:
This again?
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Nope
mqqn said:
Congratulations, Sir! I have added this thread to the list! BTW - I am a "price leaver".

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/hiding-the-price.1672315/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-delete-sale-price-could-benefit-the-market-greatly.1644933/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why.1642962/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-the-old.1630442/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/removing-your-sold-price-after-youve-sold-the-knife.1561347/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-do-people-remove-prices-of-sold-knives.1558879/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ot-save-the-price.1368264/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ya-know-what-really-pisses-me-off.1348404/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-delete-the-sold-price-in-the-exchange.687714/

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-wont-a-moderator-make-the-rule-of.553021/#post-5585272

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ument-against-redacting-prices-of-sold-knives

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...y-do-people-nuke-prices-after-an-item-is-sold

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1175417-Leave-the-sale-price-on-sold-threads

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...f-line-Sharing-Sales-Prices-from-the-Exchange

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1033469-Why-do-prices-get-removed-after-sales

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1001858-Why-remove-asking-price

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...removed-in-the-exchange-after-a-knife-is-sold

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/687714-Why-delete-the-sold-price-in-the-exchange

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/521679-Why-is-the-price-often-removed

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mqqn
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Thank You :thumbsup:
 
Appears nothing is going to change except with those who don’t comply with price hiding. Sore subject. I’m putting away my stick.

But one more point should be made for clarity I think.
benchwarmer380 said:
What's the difference and what is the point if not to gauge an offering price?
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The point is not that “an offering price” sets any kind of gauge but that tracking prices over time can be statistically relevant to determining present market value.

And, bold type usually indicates shouting. Not necessary nor polite.
 
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