High quality whittler (please read)

Before you choose, look at the Schatt & Morgan (Queen Cutlery) Keystone stag knife. They just released a Jumbo Carpenter Whittler, 33043 1/2, serpentine whittler. I looked at one at a recent knife show and was quite impressed with it's size and feel. It is 3.875 long. TSA Knives and a few other dealers websites have them shown for around $120.
 
In my experience the smaller whittlers are best...the GEC/Northwoods Norfolk (3-blade) and GEC #57 are my favorites. Mainly to Gary's point...smaller blades work better.

Personally, the larger blades on the Case Seahorse and the #38 whittlers are virtually unused while whittling.

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I agree with JCurd's post above. Small blades are more practical on a strictly whittling knife, but as an all around, i find the GEC 38 to fit the bill. The two small secondaries are great for whittling, and the large clip main is a good all-purpose blade.
Even though i have a Case/Bose Cattle knife as well, and that is my EDC, i find that when I'm looking to make small sticks out of big ones, I would rather use the GEC 38.
 
It seems that there are two kinds of people - one that like large wharncliffe blade for whittle and one that dont't ;) But one also needs to say that the main blade on the Seahorse ist just some 2.17" long, so it is not exactly a 'large' blade.
 
The CASE Seahorse's master blade might not be long but it's very thick and stout. I don't whittle but I would think smaller thinner blades are best, however, the GEC 38 is a really versatile pocket-knife that combines good blade assortment with slimmer handle, really nice general user.
 
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Here's a comparison pic of the Case/Bose, Seahorse Whittler, and GEC 38.
Similar size, but as you can see, the two whittlers have small secondary blades in common, but that's it.
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The Case Seahorse has a very stout wharncliffe main, while the GEC has a thinner, longer clip.
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Seahorse is on the left. See how thick it is? GEC is middle, Case/Bose is right.
Feel is subjective, but the 38 feels better in hand while working, it could be the side to side taper of the handles.
My preference is for the Cattle Knife, but I don't do a lot of whittling. I prefer an all around performer. If I was just whittling/ woodworking, I'd take the Seahorse and slim down the main blade with a belt sander.
The moral of the story is, you can't go wrong with any of these knives, just let your taste and budget be your guide.
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I should add, in the background is the GEC Maverick stockman. 62? I believe. It's a solid all around/ whittling knife.
 
D.B. - those are some really great photographs. Even though the original intent of this thread (as mentioned above) was fulfilled, I wil be surely getting a whittler knife for myself in the future and while I would of course love a custom one, the GEC 38 just seems to tick all the boxes.

Keep it coming guys, this thread is really a lot of fun and inspiration :)
 
I do a lot of whittling and have for over 60 years. I often sell my whittlin's so I guess that makes me a professional. I also teach whittling and carving to kids and adults.

Over the years I have used dozens - maybe hundreds - of pocket knives.

In the last year, I got myself a GEC 38.

It is the best whittler I have ever used.

Unlike many, I use the master blade a lot for major wood removal - roughing out - and the smaller blades for finer work. It really depends on the size of the work the whittler is doing. If walking sticks, for example are the project, that master blade will get more use than on 3" tall caricatures.

Anyway, I can without reservation recommend this knife!
 
Dear Mr. Chips - now that is a word that count. I was moving towards the GEC 38 and your educated opinion sealed the decision for me. Thank you.
 
One more question - what hand material would one choose for a knife that is actually going to be used for whittling? Something smooth like wood or rather a more structured material like jigged bone or stag?
 
I have used both smooth and textured handles and I really don't think it matters much.

My 38 has smooth ebony scales.
 
Mr.Chips' answer is impressive, all that experience and the 38 emerges top. But it's not too surprising, it is a really fine in the hand knife and yet not bulky despite being long. As I've said before, it's a versatile pocket knife, best 3 blade knife out there, but now I know it's really living up to its Whittler name.:thumbup:

I do like the 48 from Queen Cutlery too. These ones from 10+ years ago have wonderful finish, thin and once sharp, very useful D2 blades. Good deal smaller in length than the GEC it is very much an easy carry.

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I have some knives with D2 blades.

I don't think they are worth it for whittlin' knives. Harder to sharpen, and don't keep an edge much better than a stainless Rough Rider. (Which are not bad whittlers in the right models by the way).
 
I'm sure you are right about that obviously Mr Chips. D2 I find nice on a pocket-knife but have no experience of it in a wodworking context.

I do have a fair bit of experience with RR's stainless though. Whatever it is, in terms of composition, it's one of the best stainless on pocket-knives. Why? It arrives sharp, it stays sharp a long time and it's easy to get the keeness back. Pretty useful qualities I'd say. Their stainless stays sharper much longer than CASE's cv or GEC's carbon, neither of which appear to have very durable edge retention actually.
 
Now that is some pretty strong claim about RR steel. I thought they use 440A (do they?) which should not really be able to outperform well heat treated D2 or 1095. I guess I need to investigate a little :)
 
A couple of points need to be made here I think.

GEC is making knives the way they used to be made, using the same old materials. That means among other things, that they grind the blades right - read that THIN. The effect of this is that they and the old (quality) knives could cut pretty efficiently even if they were/are not shaving sharp. A significant percentage of old time knife users valued thin blades that would cut. They had other tools for prying. (A pretty wise man once said that a knife is the most expensive and least effective pry bar that you will ever own.)

A lot of knives today are being made with blades that are in my opinion too thick, maybe to accommodate people who pry a lot and rarely whittle.

The Rough Rider knives are a bit thick. They do come useably sharp but not whittlin' sharp. My motto is: "If I can't shave with it I can't carve with it." It just isn't edge sharpness that counts though. The edge has to be thinned before it will cut wood well, so any knife that I am going to use for whittlin' will have its edge worked on a stone at 10 degrees until a burr (wire edge) is formed, and then done on the other side until the wire edge is formed again on the other side. After that the process may be repeated on a finer stone (1000 grit). All of this with fairly firm pressure. Then a few light stokes are taken - at the same 10 degree angle on each side until no or very little burr can be detected. The final step is to strop on a leather or even better, denim strop charged with white or green buffing compound - again with firm pressure - at least 75 strokes per side.DO NOT FLIP THE KNIFE AT THE END OF THE STROKE. Flipping, unless the blade is flipped over on its spine will result in a rounded edge, because the person doing it will anticipate the flip, and turn the knife up almost vertical while it is still in contact with the strop. This is counterproductive. Don't flip, or even give the blade a little flourish at the end of the stroke, just fanatically hold as close to the 10 degree angle for the entire stroke and give it 75 or so on one side and then the other. At the end of this procedure you will have a blade that will easily shave, and with which it is possible to do good whittlin work. When the edge is lost after some whittlin', 20 strokes per side on the strop will restore the edge. This can be repeated on 30 or so occasions - maybe more - until you notice that the knife needs to be stropped about every 5 min. Then it is time to freshen it up on the stone again.

If the angle is a little steeper, say 12 or even 15 degrees, this will still work.

Now back to those old style thin blades: They could, for everyday work be sharpened at a pretty steep angle - maybe even 20 or so degrees, and because of the thinness of the blade they would cut like crazy. Because of the steepness of the edge, they would keep cutting like crazy for a long time. For most knife users this works well.

I still hone my 38 and some of the vintage knives I use, at 10 degrees, but that is because on the subject of whittlin' I am a bit of a fanatic (OK a lot of one), and I need my edges to cut with minimal pressure. I have to re stop a lot. I don't care. It is worth it, and stropping is not hard.
 
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